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03-17-2011, 07:48 AM
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Re: **preacher forums**
Never tell evil of a man if you do not know it for certainty,
and if you know it for a certainty, then ask yourself, 'Why should I tell it?'
-- Johann K. Lavater
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03-17-2011, 07:50 AM
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Re: **preacher forums**
During a coffee break this morning I finally speed read this thread from start to finish. Someone had complained about the content so I was expecting heaven knows what. I did not see anything in this thread to cause anybody to get upset about unless some posts have been edited or deleted before I saw them.
I have no problem with preacher only forums. I think it is great preachers of like faith can have a place to discuss both doctrine and church matters AND comment on the church world as they see it.
A forum of conservative preachers would naturally discuss trends or ministries they see as straying from their beloved legalism "ALERT: It is rumored Bro. SoandSo had a youth meeting and there were THREE teenagers with short sleeves on there!!!!!"
By the same token I have no doubt that a lib preachers forum would discuss the absurdity of their local ultra cons legalism and the irony when an ultra con or conservative preacher is discovered to have been engaging in ongoing sexual sin while thumping his pulpit and enforicing a stringent clothesline of dress codes.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
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03-17-2011, 08:07 AM
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To be fair, it's practical. Those who are going to be speaking will be close to the podium. It's not necessarily a means of "exalting oneself."  |
Oh my common sense has reared his head again. 
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03-17-2011, 08:11 AM
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Oh my common sense has reared his head again. |
Oh my and Esther has too.
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03-17-2011, 08:13 AM
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Re: **preacher forums**
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Originally Posted by Cindy
Never tell evil of a man if you do not know it for certainty,
and if you know it for a certainty, then ask yourself, 'Why should I tell it?'
-- Johann K. Lavater
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Good advice.
I heard someone say once that the meaning of "Thou shall bear no false witness" could mean, "If you're no eye witness, you're no witness at all".
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03-17-2011, 09:48 AM
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Re: **preacher forums**
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Originally Posted by Charnock
No, not since they became havens for adulterers, perverts and pretend preachers.
Preachers forums thrive on ferreting out "rats" and holiness nonconformists but they will cover their buddies sins better than a dog buries his favorite bone.
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Originally Posted by Charnock
For the record, I don't regret anything I've posted on this thread. I meant every word I posted.
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Originally Posted by CC1
During a coffee break this morning I finally speed read this thread from start to finish. Someone had complained about the content so I was expecting heaven knows what. I did not see anything in this thread to cause anybody to get upset about unless some posts have been edited or deleted before I saw them.
I have no problem with preacher only forums. I think it is great preachers of like faith can have a place to discuss both doctrine and church matters AND comment on the church world as they see it.
A forum of conservative preachers would naturally discuss trends or ministries they see as straying from their beloved legalism "ALERT: It is rumored Bro. SoandSo had a youth meeting and there were THREE teenagers with short sleeves on there!!!!!"
By the same token I have no doubt that a lib preachers forum would discuss the absurdity of their local ultra cons legalism and the irony when an ultra con or conservative preacher is discovered to have been engaging in ongoing sexual sin while thumping his pulpit and enforicing a stringent clothesline of dress codes.
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Alright CC1, here are 2 quotes from Charnock (whoever he/she is) you either did not read this thread or you agree with his statements.
Which is it?
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03-17-2011, 09:55 AM
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Re: **preacher forums**
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Originally Posted by Stephanas
...I have followed forums from FCF to AFF and I can't recall a more reprehensible post than Charnock's blanket condemnation of preachers....
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We need to be careful we don't paint with too broad a brush.
Not all preachers are greedy, dishonest, and immoral.
Many are honest and sincere individuals who are literally laying down their lives for their flocks and for the Chief Shepherd.
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03-17-2011, 10:09 AM
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Re: **preacher forums**
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Originally Posted by Sam
We need to be careful we don't paint with too broad a brush.
Not all preachers are greedy, dishonest, and immoral.
Many are honest and sincere individuals who are literally laying down their lives for their flocks and for the Chief Shepherd.
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We are in agreement about the dangers of painting with a broad brush, but you appear to be condemning preachers with "faint praise," when you say that "Not all preachers are greedy, dishonest, and immoral."
The implication is that most preachers are greedy, dishonest, and immoral.
It has been my experience that very few meet that low estimation, and that most are "honest and sincere individuals who are literally laying down their lives for their flocks..."
I apologize in advance if I have misread your intent; loss of tone and inflection is the achilles heel of written communication.
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03-17-2011, 10:18 AM
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Re: **preacher forums**
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Originally Posted by Stephanas
We are in agreement about the dangers of painting with a broad brush, but you appear to be condemning preachers with "faint praise," when you say that "Not all preachers are greedy, dishonest, and immoral."
The implication is that most preachers are greedy, dishonest, and immoral.
It has been my experience that very few meet that low estimation, and that most are "honest and sincere individuals who are literally laying down their lives for their flocks..."
I apologize in advance if I have misread your intent; loss of tone and inflection is the achilles heel of written communication.
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Stephanas,
it was written with a sarcastic tone that doesn't show up in print.
The perception of the world is that preachers are money grubbing hypocrites. Unfortunately we have given them enough examples to justify that in some cases. It is my opinion, however, that there are multitudes of good servants of God who are laying down their lives for the portion of the flock they've been given oversight of and for the Chief Shepherd. These may often go unnoticed when the eyes of the world are focused on the pampered, privileged, pomaded, princes of pentecost who are pontificating from our pulpits and enjoying privileges of the family cash cow(church run as a family business) and privileged places in the large political/religious organization.
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Charismatic in practice
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03-17-2011, 10:22 AM
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Re: **preacher forums**
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Originally Posted by Cindy
Never tell evil of a man if you do not know it for certainty,
and if you know it for a certainty, then ask yourself, 'Why should I tell it?'
-- Johann K. Lavater
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And, "What is my motive?"
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