Gay Marriage: For or Against?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Ferd

I dont know what is so hard about this. the sins of the father visited to the third generation....

sin messes up DNA.

Amen.

Paul stated that in his flesh there was no good thing. We're corrupted all the way down to the genetic level. Yes, we're BORN sinners. That's why he had to be BORN sinless.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Berkley

they have a bigger um hypothalamus

Size matters?

If we bring a pathologist a box of Hypothalmus (It is an area and not a definitive organ) and ask for a diagnosis, he can tell which are gay and which are not?



it instructs the pituitary. If a promiscuis person has so many sex partners, that could increase the use of luteinizing hormone-releasing hormone.
Can these be weighted and tested in autopsies?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Gay marriage will eventually be legal in the United States.

As such, what should the church have to say about the issue?

How do you feel about the issue?

Do you believe a gay person should have a legal right to marry? If so, which do you think is most important, that person's individual liberty (rights as an American), or God's opposition to homosexuality?

Should the church remain silent on this issue, or should the church work the political system to preserve traditional marriage to the exclusion of gays.

Which should a Christian be most concerned with; protecting individual liberties or declaring Bible absolutes?

The church should be most concerned with persuading individuals to the truth of the Gospel.

I don't believe Jesus wasted any time in the courthouse trying to tell them what should be done to address sin in the community. He addressed people and their sinful lives directly; not indirectly through their government.

Protecting individual liberties is not contradictory to declaring Biblical absolutes. God is the One who gave the gift of free will to people in the first place. Therefore, we allow the same freedom for people to choose sin or choose righteousness, and at the same time, we offer the solution for sin, should that be their choice.

Our job is to offer the solution to sin; not enforce righteousness.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

The church should be most concerned with persuading individuals to the truth of the Gospel.

I don't believe Jesus wasted any time in the courthouse trying to tell them what should be done to address sin in the community. He addressed people and their sinful lives directly; not indirectly through their government.

Protecting individual liberties is not contradictory to declaring Biblical absolutes. God is the One who gave the gift of free will to people in the first place. Therefore, we allow the same freedom for people to choose sin or choose righteousness, and at the same time, we offer the solution for sin, should that be their choice.

Our job is to offer the solution to sin; not enforce righteousness.

Oh, that will preach!

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Coadie... while I'm certain this is true in many situations, we can't be so foolish as to think that this is the case in EVERY situation. Sometimes it's just a "kink" and a "choice". Sometimes it's a disposition they've had from their earliest years, even in loving and godly homes. Sometimes it comes from abuse or neglect. You can't go around blaming good and loving parents for this. Imagine the guilt and shame you've now shifted onto decent loving parents who believe their child is in sin.

This is more complicated than you're realizing.

Coadie... this isn't right. I don't like the spirit I feel in it.

I don't blame good parents. That is very clear. They are not the sole environmental influence.

Joseph Nicolosi, Ph.D @narth.com does this.



Intensive Body Work of Affect-Focused Therapy.

http://www.narth.com/docs/dblloop.html

This is a chapter from a new book. He takes a lot of heat for success in reparative therapy.

Just a side note, Most prescription drugs do not do what they were prescribed for. Many do. Placebos in psychotropic tests actually work ball park 1/3 of the time.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Our job is to offer the solution to sin; not enforce righteousness.

Healing, restoration, joy, forgiveness and in the 2010 world deliverance are all available in the Lord's house.

[DAII]

This, m'am, is genius:

Protecting individual liberties is not contradictory to declaring Biblical absolutes. God is the One who gave the gift of free will to people in the first place. Therefore, we allow the same freedom for people to choose sin or choose righteousness, and at the same time, we offer the solution for sin, should that be their choice.

Our job is to offer the solution to sin; not enforce righteousness.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by coadie

Size matters?

If we bring a pathologist a box of Hypothalmus (It is an area and not a definitive organ) and ask for a diagnosis, he can tell which are gay and which are not?



it instructs the pituitary. If a promiscuis person has so many sex partners, that could increase the use of luteinizing hormone-releasing hormone.
Can these be weighted and tested in autopsies?

Wouldn't married people have enlarged hypothalmususisis? I mean, when I was married we had relations sometimes two or three times a day for several weeks with a short break... and would rev up again. lol How would my hypothalmacupakis know the difference??? LOL

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

The church should be most concerned with persuading individuals to the truth of the Gospel.

I don't believe Jesus wasted any time in the courthouse trying to tell them what should be done to address sin in the community. He addressed people and their sinful lives directly; not indirectly through their government.

Protecting individual liberties is not contradictory to declaring Biblical absolutes. God is the One who gave the gift of free will to people in the first place. Therefore, we allow the same freedom for people to choose sin or choose righteousness, and at the same time, we offer the solution for sin, should that be their choice.

Our job is to offer the solution to sin; not enforce righteousness.

Amen!

That's what I've said several times here. But I don't think everyone gets it.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by coadie

I don't blame good parents. That is very clear. They are not the sole environmental influence.

Joseph Nicolosi, Ph.D @narth.com does this.



Intensive Body Work of Affect-Focused Therapy.

http://www.narth.com/docs/dblloop.html

This is a chapter from a new book. He takes a lot of heat for success in reparative therapy.

Just a side note, Most prescription drugs do not do what they were prescribed for. Many do. Placebos in psychotropic tests actually work ball park 1/3 of the time.

Coadie... you're not answering my questions. Could a therapy turn you gay? Is being straight really a choice for you? I mean, could you actually choose to be gay?