Obama tying himself in knots with Rick Warren

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Ferd's attacks are unfair to both myself and Rico.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

First of all slander is spoken libel is written, but in any case what he said would first have to be untrue, seeing that we can't get past that, summary judgment in favor of the defendant (that would be Ferd).

Case dismissed.

I cannot prove it's untrue. I could offer a story about a dark day in me and my wife's life where we, or another couple, had to decide as to abort to possibly save a woman's life. Do you think discussing that kind of pain and agony of soul is justified to defend from a written attack by a religious extremist? Based on cases such as these I fully believe that GOVERNMENT is unqualified to make these most difficult decisions. Calling someone a baby killer or abortionist because they don't believe GOVERNMENT is capable of properly delivering justice on the issue is terribly out of order.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

That's also insulting.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Ferd, I take direct and deep offense at being called an abortionist. I'm reporting your harassment as soon as I post this.

I stand by the statement and you can't bully me. I do think the Christian Right is using religion as a weapon to manipulate the easily influenced religious voter.

I think some are so afraid to leave the Republican ranks they just can't stand those who have the courage to do so.

I'm not voting Democrat or Republican in the next election. A case can be made that a vote for either party is treason against true American ideals.

Now...I'm reporting you for calling me an abortionist just because I don't agree with you and your Right Wing politics.

typical. its what you do...

but re-read the post skippie. I didnt call you an abortionist. i said... and I quote...


when you decide to be pro-choice, you are called abortionists because you support abortion. when you want to vote for socialists you are called socialists.


pretty clear to those not visually impared.

[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by Aquila

It's the exact tactic I warned about in post #149 that the Right Wing uses to attack anyone who disagrees with them. Ferd gives us an excellent example of the religious manipulation and harassment that's afoot in so called "conservative" Right Wing extremist circles.

I don't necessarily thinks it's BECAUSE you disagree with them - though that may happen at times.

I just think there is such a fear on the far right of being called "middle-of-the-road" or a "fence sitter" that they can't even entertain another point of view without losing face amongst their peers. Can't even entertain it enough to be able to conduct an adult conversation about it. The idea of acknowledging a point or two from the other side's argument is seen as weakness. It's ridiculous. Thus we have our "Oscama" and "pro-abortion" name calling.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I cannot prove it's untrue. I could offer a story about a dark day in me and my wife's life where we, or another couple, had to decide as to abort to possibly save a woman's life. Do you think discussing that kind of pain and agony of soul is justified to defend from a written attack by a religious extremist? Based on cases such as these I fully believe that GOVERNMENT is unqualified to make these most difficult decisions. Being called a baby killer or abortionist is terribly out of order.

You make the claim you have the burden of proof. That is just.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Aquila

That's also insulting.

Really how about this then.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by DerrickS

Hmm. Seems like semantics to me.

On a side note, why would you call a pro-choice advocate pro-abortion if it wasn't in an effort to make a statement? For instance - you know that Rico is not pro-abortion. You know it for a fact. Yet, you use the same old inflammatory language to make your point. It's not stating facts, it's using an emotionally charged comment to try to get a reaction. You may completely disagree with Rico's rationale for being pro-choice, but - let's face it - you calling him pro-abortion is not simply stating a fact. It's making a judgement, and it's an attempt to discredit him as a Christian. It's the same kind of thing as using Osama, Osamanation or Obsama, or oSCAMa, or whatever idiotic name people continue to come up with. It's just so obnoxious. Why can't a conversation occur without the 12-year-old wordplay?

Derrick, I dont know if you saw this discussion but we went this round several weeks ago.

Rico got all mad. the Admin chimed in and clearly indicated that the "judgement" I made was a valid one.

bottom line, if you are against abortion but you are pro-choice and you vote pro-choice you are supporting abortion. the end here is that your actions regardless of what you claim you believe cause the perpetuation of abortion.

period.

Rico can be mad all day long. Aquilla can be offended to the end of time. if they cant take the heat, they need to exit the kitchen.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by DerrickS

I don't necessarily thinks it's BECAUSE you disagree with them - though that may happen at times.

I just think there is such a fear on the far right of being called "middle-of-the-road" or a "fence sitter" that they can't even entertain another point of view without losing face amongst their peers. Can't even entertain it enough to be able to conduct an adult conversation about it. The idea of acknowledging a point or two from the other side's argument is seen as weakness. It's ridiculous. Thus we have our "Oscama" and "pro-abortion" name calling.

bro, this notion of "far right" is just plain silly.

I am dead in the center of the concervitive movement. this is a debate about politics and Aquilla and Rico advoctate a postion that allows for women to get abortions on demand.

I am sorry. it isnt bulling to challenge the following statement
"I hate abortion but if you want one thats fine with me"

that is the stated position we are talking about. I aint buying the snake oil.

[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Derrick, I dont know if you saw this discussion but we went this round several weeks ago.

Rico got all mad. the Admin chimed in and clearly indicated that the "judgement" I made was a valid one.

bottom line, if you are against abortion but you are pro-choice and you vote pro-choice you are supporting abortion. the end here is that your actions regardless of what you claim you believe cause the perpetuation of abortion.

period.

Rico can be mad all day long. Aquilla can be offended to the end of time. if they cant take the heat, they need to exit the kitchen.

So, because admin on this board agrees with you, it has now become fact somehow You can do nothing more that state your opinion that pro-choice means pro-abortion. It is no more a fact now than it was before the decree was handed down.

Period.

I get a headache on these threads....