Who then can be lost?

[TCSQ]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

Elder according to most on this forum the only ones who will be lost are the conservatives, everyone else is covered by grace and will be saved.

The sad thing is that some of the MOST conservative are that way because deep down inside they have never understood that the just shall live by FAITH, Faith that JESUS is as the song says OUR WISDOM AND PERFECTION OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS AND POWER...and they try to merit their salvation by how closely and flawlessly they can follow all the works that God calls us to.

The sad and demonstrable thing is that some of the MOST ultra conservative men finally come to the place where they realize that they are doing all they can and THEN SOME and NONE of it saves, and so they just chuck it all and swing to the other extreme!

I have ran with nothing BUT Ultraconservative or make that ULTRA ULTRA conservative men (better make that ULTRA ULTRA ULTRA CONSERVATIVE men) for the last EIGHTEEN YEARS and I find them to be some of the most fearful, insecure, obsessed with straining out every gnat while swallowing camels basket cases I have know either IN or OUT of church.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Brad Murphy

Don't worry, you guys have me convinced that I am lost, so don't think that all the years of fire and brimstone didn't work... (although it may have worked too well since I don't see any way to NOT be lost...)

You know, I kinda like where you're coming from, Brad.

And for SE and the others: No, Brad isn't advocating Satan worship and ritual human sacrifice and murder. He's just expressing a very real and profound disappointment with the religious establishment that seems all too willing to make those human sacrifices.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

Elder according to most on this forum the only ones who will be lost are the conservatives, everyone else is covered by grace and will be saved.

That's the kind of dishonesty that just might get a person lost, WH.

You know as well as I do that's not true. Why don't you eat half a candy bar and drink some fruit juice. If you immediately feel better - see your doctor.

There's got to be a reason why you guys refuse to discuss things intelligently and instead you fall off into a melancholy that seems to overwhelm you.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by TCSQ

Actually YES I AM! I can't begin to tell you how wonderful it is to dump all the fear and doubt and just realize that CALVARY WORKS because of JESUS not because of my ability to implement this point or that point! Kind of like if you try and keep the law but offend in one POINT you are guilty of it all! Thank God I have a saviour! And NO I have NOT thrown away ANY of the principles of Godly living that the Word Of God contains, but have come to realize that they are IDEALS that we may or may NOT reach in this life and just like Paul, after preaching and teaching them I COUNT NOT ****MYSELF**** to have apprehended or acheived that IDEAL failure free existence yet, BUT THIS ONE THING I DO DO....***FORGETTING**** the things that are past (All the failures of yesterday) I still am shooting for the ideal. BUT I will NO LONGER obsess on that, beat myself OR OTHERS up over that.

There is a Pastor in California who God used to bring me back to that very FIRST love, and he is incredible! We were talking about a half a year ago now and he asked me "Do you know how Pharaoh determined the value of a slave???? By how many BRICKS he could produce! But the value of a son is determined by HOW MUCH HIS FATHER LOVES HIM AND NOTHING ELSE!!!! Our probelm is that so many of us are SLAVES cranking out bricks trying to display our value to God and so few are SONS just feeling free to walk up to our Dad and throw our arms around his neck, kiss it and whisper Dad I sure do Love you, and then just bask in HIS wonderful and freely given and certainly UNDESERVED LOVE" And I will tell you in a flash it all fell off of me! All the fear that the Lord would come and I wouldnt be ready, all the self inflicted loathing that I just wasn't doing enough or perfect enough, and ...oh yeah this is SO COOL!

He ( the pastor) brought out this question, "Do you know WHY God chose David King of Israel????? David tells us himself, "Because He LIKED ME!!!!" And you know My God LIKES me! My father LOVES me , and I love him and NO ONE is going to have the right any more to intrude into that sacred relationship and tell ME that I am or am NOT right with my God based on their ignorant and idiotic idiosyncrasies! Preach the WORD and I will listen and pray that God help me to implement it in my life, but no more of this ....krap about belt buckles or wedding rings or mustaches or christmas trees or or or!!! It simply AINT gonna happen anymore! I am NO LONGER A SLAVE I AM A SON OF GOD so................................................ .........................

***NO MORE BRICKS!!!!**************************************


What an EPIPHANY huh?! Its great and my walk with God has never been closer better or more enjoyable ! He WILL finish the work he has begun in me its a done deal! Calvary Works!

This post made me smile.

The blood will never lose its power.......

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by TCSQ

The sad thing is that some of the MOST conservative are that way because deep down inside they have never understood that the just shall live by FAITH, Faith that JESUS is as the song says OUR WISDOM AND PERFECTION OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS AND POWER...and they try to merit their salvation by how closely and flawlessly they can follow all the works that God calls us to.

The sad and demonstrable thing is that some of the MOST ultra conservative men finally come to the place where they realize that they are doing all they can and THEN SOME and NONE of it saves, and so they just chuck it all and swing to the other extreme!

I have ran with nothing BUT Ultraconservative or make that ULTRA ULTRA conservative men (better make that ULTRA ULTRA ULTRA CONSERVATIVE men) for the last EIGHTEEN YEARS and I find them to be some of the most fearful, insecure, obsessed with straining out every gnat while swallowing camels basket cases I have know either IN or OUT of church.

I ran with the same crowd - maybe we know some of the same people?

[TCSQ]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I ran with the same crowd - maybe we know some of the same people?

Could be...could be. Email me off group and tell me who you are and I will do the same (Never can be too careful...there are a lot of guys out there with VERY sharp axes and I like my head, you might say I 've grown very attached to it!) Who knows, we might even (YIKES) Know each other!

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

An Atheist CAN NOT accept the message of the truth without repenting! You tell me....how is it possible for an Atheist to convert to Christianity without repenting? (turning away) One can't be an atheist and Christian at the same time! It has to be one or the other. An atheist CAN NOT plan to repent and convert at a given time and place. If he plans to convert, he has already converted!

The hypothetical situation mentioned is an impossibility!

You're missing missing something rather obvious here.

Accepting a message as being true is not the same as repenting of one's sins. To accept the message as true is to believe. To repent is to turn around, and turn away from sin. They are 2 very different things.One follows the other. Belief leads to repentance. But it is not biblical that belief=repentance, which is what your thinking on this boils down to.

And Acts 2 shows a clear biblical example of this. The men of Israel heard Peter's gospel message, and believed it, accepting it as being true, but still asked what they should do. It was afterward that Peter instructed them to repent, etc.which they subsequently did. Clearly we see demonstrated here that believing and repenting are 2 very different things. I don't know why you don't see that.

I have witnessed to many people who have believed the gospel as I presented it to them, but never took the next step to repent. And many former atheists will tell you that they first came to a place of belief, before later repenting and turning their life over to Christ. As a former atheist myself I know this to be true.

Somehow you have this idea that deciding to repent is synonymous with actual repentance taking place; Not true at all. But if you don't the clear distinction between believing and repenting, then at this point we're pretty much going to be talking past each other. I cant make the distinction any plainer. Your position on this is highly biblical.

[RandyWayne]

There is a Pastor in California who God used to bring me back to that very FIRST love, and he is incredible! We were talking about a half a year ago now and he asked me "Do you know how Pharaoh determined the value of a slave???? By how many BRICKS he could produce! But the value of a son is determined by HOW MUCH HIS FATHER LOVES HIM AND NOTHING ELSE!!!! Our probelm is that so many of us are SLAVES cranking out bricks trying to display our value to God and so few are SONS just feeling free to walk up to our Dad and throw our arms around his neck, kiss it and whisper Dad I sure do Love you, and then just bask in HIS wonderful and freely given and certainly UNDESERVED LOVE" And I will tell you in a flash it all fell off of me! All the fear that the Lord would come and I wouldnt be ready, all the self inflicted loathing that I just wasn't doing enough or perfect enough, and ...oh yeah this is SO COOL!

The ultra conservative will now say "But the son will SHOW his love by trying to lay as many bricks as he possibly can!".

Great post by the way!

[theoldpaths]

Originally Posted by CC1

Cut hair. I believe it actually refers to a specific hairstyle of cut hair on women back from the first part of the 20th century. Since those AMF types like Elder Epley live in that era in their minds (LOL) I think they use that term to apply generically to cut hair on women.

If that is true, then I am in total agreement that the bible teaches that a woman's hair is given her for a covering and that for a woman to pray uncovered means that she has removed some/all of her covering.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

If that is true, then I am in total agreement that the bible teaches that a woman's hair is given her for a covering and that for a woman to pray uncovered means that she has removed some/all of her covering.

Paul and I also agree.