Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Falla39

How about a little humor!

Adam looked at Eve and said "now listen here, woman; I wear the plants in this family!.." --- King's Clown

In the beginning, Adam and Eve were naked, but they didn't know. After the
fall, they both wore fig leaves. But God clothed them in coats of animal skins.
I believe male and female were equal! GOD gave them different job descriptions.

Today, men and women both work and after the woman has her baby, she goes
back to work. When I was younger, women did not go as equals into the armed
forces. Now they both go into the armed services, if she has a baby, she's off
for a little while and then resumes her service. Meanwhile who's training up the
children. Training up is a full-time job.

In Christ there is neither male nor female. Is it right for her to work and be
out of the home while the man preaches. Does the woman work while the man
preaches. Maybe she could preach or teach while he works! Isn't she supposed
to be the weaker vessel!

Do you preach against women preachers, etc., while okaying the women in
your church to work outside the home. Who's training up the children. If she
works, she's probably not going to be quiet.

It just seems inconsistant for a minister to look to his wife to work, while he pursues
the ministry. Paul said that man first know how to take care of his own house, else
how can he take care of the Lord's house. That's how he learns to take care of the
house of the Lord. By taking care of his own house first. I believe that would include
taking care of his wife too. May require some sweat, but that's biblical too. By the
sweat of his brow.

God knows every situation but just some sincere thoughts I have had! Not to be
critical but to provoke thought. Personally I believe many things are out of order
today. When things are out of order, be it home, school, church, organiza tion,
government, things will eventually start backing up. And when the plumbing
begans to back up, it is best to deal with it. Don't put it off. It may be later
than we think!

Falla39

[Praxeas]

Ἰουνία, ας, ἡ (SEG XVIII, 143 [c. 43 A.D.]; on the form s. Mlt-H. 155) Junia, compatriot or relative of Paul, one who like Paul suffered imprisonment, and distinguished among the apostles Ro 16:7 v.l. Ancient commentators took Andr. and Junia as a married couple. Some patristic identification (JFitzmyer, Anchor Bible: Romans, ’93, 737f) favors the reading of her name in the text (so NRSV, REB; RCervin, NTS 40, ’94, 464–70); in opposition to this identification Ltzm. (Hdb. ad loc.), who offers no evidence to support his statement that the context appears to exclude her from consideration. Moreover, unlike Ἰουνιᾶν (s. next entry), the form Ἰουνίαν is actually found so accented in some mss. (s. N. app.). For apostolic prestige accorded a woman s. Aa I, 235 app. ln. 2: ἰσαπόστολος of Thecla.

Ἰουνιᾶς, ᾶ, ὁ Junias (not found elsewh., could be a short form of the common Junianus; s. B-D-F §125, 2; Rob. 172) according to the rdg. of the N. text a Judean Christian, who was imprisoned w. Paul or shared a similar experience Ro 16:7; s. on Ἀνδρόνικος. But the accented form Ἰουνιᾶν has no support as such in the ms. tradition; for critique of B-D-R §125, 2, 6 in connection w. the N. rdg. s. UPlisch, NTS 42, ’96, 477f, n. 2. For the strong probability that a woman named Junia is meant s. prec. entry.—M-M.


Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., & Bauer, W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed.) (480). Chicago: University of Chicago Press. (otherwise known as the BDAG)

[Sister Alvear]

Adan was first formed...however God gave to them BOTH Dominion...so if we go all the way back to Gen. we find our they ruled together...

[Sister Alvear]

fellowship among some circles. I believe that makes Jesus weep.
It is obvious that if we take Deborah out of the Bible, Israel remains in bondage, if we take out Ester, Israel is killed, if we take out Huldah, Israel remains without someone to interpret the scroll. If we take out Mary we remain without a Savior, if we take out the women at the tomb no one knows He has risen. So at many key times God in his wisdom chooses to use women. Why? I just really don’t know. Maybe it is because of his sense of humor. Does not his own word say his ways are past finding out? On so many occasions when man has thought they have figured God out He shows up and does exactly opposite to our human thinking.
We read about women who served at the door of the tent that had to be of the priestly tribe of Aaron or the servant tribe of Levi.. Women served at the door of the tent from very early in the history of Israel. Women who served at the door of the tent had to be trained in all points of religious and civil law in order not to infringe the laws and to enforce them. Women who served at the door of the tent had to be valid witnesses for services said to be performed there. So women played some part however we look at the pages of God’s word.
To understand more about the earliest years of Christianity we must understand that there was no monarchical episcopate thus the first Christians were quite different in their thinking and practices from the church world today.
So many things changed in the early church, by the time of Gregory the Great (604 AD), the laity were mere 'children of the Church'.
The ekklesia of Christ describes the most beautiful relationship known to man. The Savior chose the word and we certainly cannot express it better. When Jesus said "I will build my ekklesia", he was not talking about an institution or institutions neither was he talking about some man made organization. What He promised to build was His assembly, His group, His gathering, or His called out people. I guess we could sum it up by saying His body. As long as the church remained with that in mind there were no problems of “women preachers” but each person fulfilled what he/she was called to do. Only after “the church” adopted Rome’s methods do we encounter the dilemma we face today.
1 Corinthians 14 describes what a service was like among the first Christians.
“Everyone has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation." (NIV, 1 Cor 14:26)
“Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy. For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit. But everyone who prophesies speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort. He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified.” (NIV, 1 Cor 14:1-5)
Meetings in the early church must have been so exciting as each shared what God had given them.

[Sister Alvear]

fellowship among some circles. I believe that makes Jesus weep.
It is obvious that if we take Deborah out of the Bible, Israel remains in bondage, if we take out Ester, Israel is killed, if we take out Huldah, Israel remains without someone to interpret the scroll. If we take out Mary we remain without a Savior, if we take out the women at the tomb no one knows He has risen. So at many key times God in his wisdom chooses to use women. Why? I just really don’t know. Maybe it is because of his sense of humor. Does not his own word say his ways are past finding out? On so many occasions when man has thought they have figured God out He shows up and does exactly opposite to our human thinking.
We read about women who served at the door of the tent that had to be of the priestly tribe of Aaron or the servant tribe of Levi.. Women served at the door of the tent from very early in the history of Israel. Women who served at the door of the tent had to be trained in all points of religious and civil law in order not to infringe the laws and to enforce them. Women who served at the door of the tent had to be valid witnesses for services said to be performed there. So women played some part however we look at the pages of God’s word.
To understand more about the earliest years of Christianity we must understand that there was no monarchical episcopate thus the first Christians were quite different in their thinking and practices from the church world today.
So many things changed in the early church, by the time of Gregory the Great (604 AD), the laity were mere 'children of the Church'.
The ekklesia of Christ describes the most beautiful relationship known to man. The Savior chose the word and we certainly cannot express it better. When Jesus said "I will build my ekklesia", he was not talking about an institution or institutions neither was he talking about some man made organization. What He promised to build was His assembly, His group, His gathering, or His called out people. I guess we could sum it up by saying His body. As long as the church remained with that in mind there were no problems of “women preachers” but each person fulfilled what he/she was called to do. Only after “the church” adopted Rome’s methods do we encounter the dilemma we face today.
1 Corinthians 14 describes what a service was like among the first Christians.
“Everyone has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation." (NIV, 1 Cor 14:26)
“Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy. For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit. But everyone who prophesies speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort. He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified.” (NIV, 1 Cor 14:1-5)
Meetings in the early church must have been so exciting as each shared what God had given them.

[Falla39]

Some say Paul said this and Paul said that! Paul said a lot of things and some of
what he said was in Titus 2. What do you, who are against women preachers say
about Paul's words here. Are you against these things too!

Titus 2 1-8
1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.

3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

6 Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded.

7 In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,

8 Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.

If we're going to harp on some of the things Paul said, why not harp on some
of the others or all of what Paul said. (There is such a thing as rightly dividing
the Word of God)!

Not to be critical or offensive! Just for discussion, etc.

Falla39

[Sister Alvear]

Wise men like King David will recognize the “Abigails”. The “Baraks” will gladly follow the “Deborahs”. Kings and priests will learn from the “Huldahs”. The “Simons” will rejoice as the “Annas” do prophesy. Even the “Mordicahs” will remind the “Esthers” that life alone depends on their brave interceding.
We need to understand that there is a “middle of the road” for every woman of God especially if she is married and has children. There are domestic responsibilities as well as spiritual responsibilities. The wise woman knows how to combine both. For example, Deborah and her friend, Jael, had their domestic responsibilities, and fulfilled them; but they were also used of God. For in one of the most difficult times of Israel’s history, God chose these women as leaders to bring freedom to their nation. Deborah, as God’s mouthpiece, vanquished and annihilated the formidable powers that had ground Israel to dust for twenty years.

[Sister Alvear]

Wise men like King David will recognize the “Abigails”. The “Baraks” will gladly follow the “Deborahs”. Kings and priests will learn from the “Huldahs”. The “Simons” will rejoice as the “Annas” do prophesy. Even the “Mordicahs” will remind the “Esthers” that life alone depends on their brave interceding.
We need to understand that there is a “middle of the road” for every woman of God especially if she is married and has children. There are domestic responsibilities as well as spiritual responsibilities. The wise woman knows how to combine both. For example, Deborah and her friend, Jael, had their domestic responsibilities, and fulfilled them; but they were also used of God. For in one of the most difficult times of Israel’s history, God chose these women as leaders to bring freedom to their nation. Deborah, as God’s mouthpiece, vanquished and annihilated the formidable powers that had ground Israel to dust for twenty years.

[MissBrattified]

A better question than "Do you believe in women preachers" is: "Do you believe God is sovereign?"

God can and will do as He chooses; He has and does use women for His purpose; if someone is out of line with His will or His commandments, He will handle them accordingly, which means I don't need to. (Handle anyone.) It isn't my place to stop anyone from trying to do God's will, even if I believe they are misguided. That's God's job.

SO much angst over trying to stop people from doing what they feel God has led them to do. What's the profit in it, really? Fulfill your own calling and leave everyone else in God's hands.

[Praxeas]

I bet back in Judges, if you asked most of the Hebrews "Do you believe in women judges?" they'd mostly say "no".

I bet, if you asked back in Anna's day "Do you believe in women prophets?", they'd mostly say "no"