Calling all PAJCers: When does Justification and Remission Happen? - Page 17

Steve Epley · #**161** 03-01-2007, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I'm still waiting for RR to answer when the OT saints had their sins remitted?

NOT RR but OT saint's sins were NOT remitted but forgiven. Thise sacrifices could NEVER take away sins. Only Calvary's blood could remit sins.

SDG · #**162** 03-01-2007, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

NOT RR but OT saint's sins were NOT remitted but forgiven. Thise sacrifices could NEVER take away sins. Only Calvary's blood could remit sins.

He's one of your disciples ... Sir Epley ... you've done well in indoctrinating him w/ the EPLEYIAN VIEW.

stmatthew · #**163** 03-01-2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

NOT RR but OT saint's sins were NOT remitted but forgiven. Thise sacrifices could NEVER take away sins. Only Calvary's blood could remit sins.

Elder, for the life of me, I cannot understand why he can't see that Isreal of the old testament had their sins pushed forward over and over again until the final sacrifice took place.

SDG · #**164** 03-01-2007, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

Elder, for the life of me, I cannot understand why he can't see that Isreal of the old testament had their sins pushed forward over and over again until the final sacrifice took place.

Really ... Matt .. for the life of me ... why can't someone tell my why their sins were remitted at Calvary and mine weren't .... LOL.

stmatthew · #**165** 03-01-2007, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I would agree that it takes the "whole" gospel for us to be forgiven and to enter into new life, Matt ... that is a mischaracterization ...

but to think we have to re-enact it for it to be 'activated' is tantamount to a works-based theology ... sorry ...

Funny how you want to stop at the cross and expect to receive life when all Jesus found at the cross was death.

Oh well. Call me a re-enactmentist, because I do not believe a man can be saved without going to the cross of death at repentance, burying the old man of sin in water baptism (buried with Jesus), and resurrecting in the power of the spirit.

The gospel being espoused that states that one receives salvation at belief only is another gospel, and is a lie from the Father of lies to steal, kill, and destroy the souls of men. And he is doing just that as many follow this lie of deception.

SDG · #**166** 03-01-2007, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

Funny how you want to stop at the cross and expect to receive life when all Jesus found at the cross was death.

Oh well. Call me a re-enactmentist, because I do not believe a man can be saved without going to the cross of death at repentance, burying the old man of sin in water baptism (buried with Jesus), and resurrecting in the power of the spirit.

The gospel being espoused that states that one receives salvation at belief only is another gospel, and is a lie from the Father of lies to steal, kill, and destroy the souls of men. And he is doing just that as many follow this lie of deception.

Oh boy ....