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07-25-2007, 09:10 PM
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Ok, I understand people's convictions and surely Holiness is outward,as well as inward.But why did The Lord in the account of the prodigal son ,mention the father placing a ring on the son's finger ?
Did The Lord use something sinful as a illustration ?
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07-25-2007, 09:38 PM
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Anyone against adornment better take off those ties.
Absolutely no purpose, not even one that represents a God-ordained covenant.
And please don't argue Catholicism-influenced if your idea of celebrating the Lord's supper is a wafer and a sip of wine or juice.
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07-25-2007, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne
I know... those evil rich! Oh, the horror of showing any sign of wealth (except for the pastor of your typical Southern mid-sized or larger churches).
And your sarcasm is plainly dripping through the screen.....
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Actually, I intended no sarcasm, but I can certainly see how it came across as such. Sorry. I was testing to see if that was truly the direction you were trying to go.
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How about THESE taken from the Songs? Chapter 1 versus 10 and 11. (KJV)
"Thy cheeks are comely with rows of jewels, thy neck with chains of gold.
We will make thee borders of gold with studs of silver."
Pretty presumptuous to compare a woman to jewelry huh? Especially since said jewelry is considered so God-awful bad. Why not just compare her to pond scum and maggots and be done with it?
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Yes, but a lot of this poetry is OT, and so as such must be viewed as a candidate for consideration of foreshadowing. The NT transformation would mean that you are to be just as bejeweled as described above, but in your adornment of the heart, not the body. However, I just searched on the word 'ring,' and there aren't as many references as you'd expect.
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"Then Pharaoh took his signet ring from his finger and put it on Joseph's finger. He dressed him in robes of fine linen and put a gold chain around his neck."
Do you think Joseph wore these with pride? Or hated every minute these abominations were on his finger and across his back? Especially considering where he came from..... Not just his family back home but the prisoners he used to share cells with.
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Joseph was a Jew. I'm striving to be a Christian.
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Yes, rings were nearly always used in the context of leadership, ownership, high office, and symbolic for having favor. Too bad we had to denigrate them to such a simple thing as dedication to ones spouse....
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Heh. Being coronated Mr. to my Mrs. is promotion to high office!
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07-25-2007, 09:57 PM
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What do you mean? You want me to make the same arguments and refutations I just made about a month ago on this forum in another thread?
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A thousand pardons, bro. I missed your earlier performance. Give me a pointer and I'll peruse it.
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"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." - Benjamin Franklin
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07-25-2007, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
I have yet to see anyone declare that wearing a wedding ring is a biblical requirement. In other words it's not doctrine. I don't see anyone claiming it is a doctrine. What we see are people claiming it's a doctrine to NOT wear any ornament of any kind
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Nevertheless, I am fascinated by the conversation between Ben and TB.
It matches my inner struggle between literalism and acceptance of nuance, concept, and principles derived from other passages.
Don't get me wrong, I still don't think I could brook dictation of a rule without basis, nor am I prepared to toss my ring in the collection plate.
I know God in the Spirit, and I want to be sure that what I know, and what I learn, in the Spirit doesn't contradict the Word.
Thus far, my ring still is not bothering me.
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Engineering solutions for theological problems.
Despite today's rising cost of living, it remains popular.
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." - Sir Winston Churchill
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Sir Winston Churchill
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." - Benjamin Franklin
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07-25-2007, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ChTatum
Anyone against adornment better take off those ties.
Absolutely no purpose, not even one that represents a God-ordained covenant.
And please don't argue Catholicism-influenced if your idea of celebrating the Lord's supper is a wafer and a sip of wine or juice.
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I know some people who won't wear a tie, watch, belts with golden or silvery buckles, glasses with golden or silvery frames, etc.
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07-25-2007, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Rico
At the time I wore a wedding band. I became of aware of the fact that I could feel the Holy Ghost everywhere in my body but the hand I had the wedding ring on. I took the wedding ring off and could feel God in that hand again. I tried it a few times to be sure I wasn't imagining what was happening.
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Fascinating!
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I haven't worn jewelry since.
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Smart choice, considering your experience . . .
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As far as studying goes, it has been a long time since I studied it out. I believe the NT scriptures that talk about not adorning with gold and pearls apply, and I believe the example Bro Epley gave about the Israelites taking off their jewelry supports the no jewelry argument. I also remember some scriptures talking about an offering for the iniquity of the holy things in the temple as having to do with them being made of gold.
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Thanks a bunch for contributing! 
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Engineering solutions for theological problems.
Despite today's rising cost of living, it remains popular.
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." - Sir Winston Churchill
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Sir Winston Churchill
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." - Benjamin Franklin
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07-25-2007, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
Ok, I understand people's convictions and surely Holiness is outward,as well as inward.But why did The Lord in the account of the prodigal son ,mention the father placing a ring on the son's finger ?
Did The Lord use something sinful as a illustration ?
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In those days, wasn't an imprint of a signet ring like an imprint of a credit card nowadays? Could this be simply to illustrate that the father was replacing his trust in the prodigal's use of the family's credit, and authorizing him to conduct business on behalf of his father?
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Engineering solutions for theological problems.
Despite today's rising cost of living, it remains popular.
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." - Sir Winston Churchill
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Sir Winston Churchill
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." - Benjamin Franklin
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07-25-2007, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Rico
I know some people who won't wear a tie, watch, belts with golden or silvery buckles, glasses with golden or silvery frames, etc.
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I do too.
Love you, bro, but I ain't one of 'em!
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07-25-2007, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ChTatum
Anyone against adornment better take off those ties.
Absolutely no purpose, not even one that represents a God-ordained covenant.
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I THOROUGHLY disagree. My tie keeps my neck warm - an important consideration with August nearly upon us. In addition, my $60 tie ferociously guards my $18 shirt from soup, sauce, and salsa!
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And please don't argue Catholicism-influenced if your idea of celebrating the Lord's supper is a wafer and a sip of wine or juice.
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Whahuh?
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Engineering solutions for theological problems.
Despite today's rising cost of living, it remains popular.
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." - Sir Winston Churchill
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Sir Winston Churchill
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." - Benjamin Franklin
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