Who then can be lost?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

What I'm saying is that if you plan to repent at a certain time and date openly before men, you have already repented in your heart.

You are trying to change my words to say that one is planning to repent in their heart to God in the future. In this situation, one could be lost if they plan to repent tomorrow for a wild time they are having tonight! In this case, they have not repented in their heart or else they would not do what they are planning to do!

Also keep in mind that publicly repenting is not necessarily repenting. I've seen this happen many times where someone went back to the way they were doing things the very next day!

I'm thinking that maybe you're forgetting the original scenario in question, as posted by 1Corinth...

" There's an atheist, the son of a Pentecostal preacher traveling via airplane and finally accepts the message of Jesus Christ. The atheist states he'll repent of his sins after landing, while in the presence of his father, and the airplane then explodes in mid-air."

He accepted the message of truth, and stated he would repent of his sins later, but died before ever doing so. (But it did not say he repented in his heart, and intended to make public confession of it later in his father's presence.) In this scenario, he intended to repent of his sins, but never did.
And that makes all the difference.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

I'm thinking that maybe you're forgetting the original scenario in question, as posted by 1Corinth...

" There's an atheist, the son of a Pentecostal preacher traveling via airplane and finally accepts the message of Jesus Christ. The atheist states he'll repent of his sins after landing, while in the presence of his father, and the airplane then explodes in mid-air."

He accepted the message of truth, and stated he would repent of his sins later, but died before ever doing so. (But it did not say he repented in his heart, and intended to make public confession of it later in his father's presence.) In this scenario, he intended to repent of his sins, but never did.
And that makes all the difference.

An Atheist CAN NOT accept the message of the truth without repenting! You tell me....how is it possible for an Atheist to convert to Christianity without repenting? (turning away) One can't be an atheist and Christian at the same time! It has to be one or the other. An atheist CAN NOT plan to repent and convert at a given time and place. If he plans to convert, he has already converted!

The hypothetical situation mentioned is an impossibility!

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

An Atheist CAN NOT accept the message of the truth without repenting! You tell me....how is it possible for an Atheist to convert to Christianity without repenting? (turning away) One can't be an atheist and Christian at the same time! It has to be one or the other. An atheist CAN NOT plan to repent and convert at a given time and place. If he plans to convert, he has already converted!

The hypothetical situation mentioned is an impossibility!

Just like most of the other hypothetical questions on here? I think if we would just stick with the bible, instead of trying to bring all these hypothetical questions into the equation, we would do well.


Too much rabbit chasing going on around here.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Just like most of the other hypothetical questions on here? I think if we would just stick with the bible, instead of trying to bring all these hypothetical questions into the equation, we would do well.


Too much rabbit chasing going on around here.

Well said. I believe that God in His infinite wisdom and power can see to it that a plane does not crash if He doesn't want it to crash. No one is promised tomorrow, we just have the here and now. So if you are going to repent do so while there is time.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

Well said. I believe that God in His infinite wisdom and power can see to it that a plane does not crash if He doesn't want it to crash. No one is promised tomorrow, we just have the here and now. So if you are going to repent do so while there is time.

So true!

[Brad Murphy]

Don't worry, you guys have me convinced that I am lost, so don't think that all the years of fire and brimstone didn't work... (although it may have worked too well since I don't see any way to NOT be lost...)

[TCSQ]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

Enjoying your epiphany?

Actually YES I AM! I can't begin to tell you how wonderful it is to dump all the fear and doubt and just realize that CALVARY WORKS because of JESUS not because of my ability to implement this point or that point! Kind of like if you try and keep the law but offend in one POINT you are guilty of it all! Thank God I have a saviour! And NO I have NOT thrown away ANY of the principles of Godly living that the Word Of God contains, but have come to realize that they are IDEALS that we may or may NOT reach in this life and just like Paul, after preaching and teaching them I COUNT NOT ****MYSELF**** to have apprehended or acheived that IDEAL failure free existence yet, BUT THIS ONE THING I DO DO....***FORGETTING**** the things that are past (All the failures of yesterday) I still am shooting for the ideal. BUT I will NO LONGER obsess on that, beat myself OR OTHERS up over that.

There is a Pastor in California who God used to bring me back to that very FIRST love, and he is incredible! We were talking about a half a year ago now and he asked me "Do you know how Pharaoh determined the value of a slave???? By how many BRICKS he could produce! But the value of a son is determined by HOW MUCH HIS FATHER LOVES HIM AND NOTHING ELSE!!!! Our probelm is that so many of us are SLAVES cranking out bricks trying to display our value to God and so few are SONS just feeling free to walk up to our Dad and throw our arms around his neck, kiss it and whisper Dad I sure do Love you, and then just bask in HIS wonderful and freely given and certainly UNDESERVED LOVE" And I will tell you in a flash it all fell off of me! All the fear that the Lord would come and I wouldnt be ready, all the self inflicted loathing that I just wasn't doing enough or perfect enough, and ...oh yeah this is SO COOL!

He ( the pastor) brought out this question, "Do you know WHY God chose David King of Israel????? David tells us himself, "Because He LIKED ME!!!!" And you know My God LIKES me! My father LOVES me , and I love him and NO ONE is going to have the right any more to intrude into that sacred relationship and tell ME that I am or am NOT right with my God based on their ignorant and idiotic idiosyncrasies! Preach the WORD and I will listen and pray that God help me to implement it in my life, but no more of this ....krap about belt buckles or wedding rings or mustaches or christmas trees or or or!!! It simply AINT gonna happen anymore! I am NO LONGER A SLAVE I AM A SON OF GOD so................................................ .........................

***NO MORE BRICKS!!!!**************************************


What an EPIPHANY huh?! Its great and my walk with God has never been closer better or more enjoyable ! He WILL finish the work he has begun in me its a done deal! Calvary Works!

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Brad Murphy

Don't worry, you guys have me convinced that I am lost, so don't think that all the years of fire and brimstone didn't work... (although it may have worked too well since I don't see any way to NOT be lost...)

"For the creature [and/or creation itself] was MADE subject to VANITY NOT WILLINGLY, but by reason of Him [that’s God] Who HATH SUBJECTED the same in hope. Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the BONDAGE OF CORRUPTION into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the WHOLE CREATION groans and travails IN PAIN until NOW" (Rom. 8:20-22)!

[Whole Hearted]

Elder according to most on this forum the only ones who will be lost are the conservatives, everyone else is covered by grace and will be saved.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by TCSQ

Actually YES I AM! I can't begin to tell you how wonderful it is to dump all the fear and doubt and just realize that CALVARY WORKS because of JESUS not because of my ability to implement this point or that point! Kind of like if you try and keep the law but offend in one POINT you are guilty of it all! Thank God I have a saviour! And NO I have NOT thrown away ANY of the principles of Godly living that the Word Of God contains, but have come to realize that they are IDEALS that we may or may NOT reach in this life and just like Paul, after preaching and teaching them I COUNT NOT ****MYSELF**** to have apprehended or acheived that IDEAL failure free existence yet, BUT THIS ONE THING I DO DO....***FORGETTING**** the things that are past (All the failures of yesterday) I still am shooting for the ideal. BUT I will NO LONGER obsess on that, beat myself OR OTHERS up over that.

There is a Pastor in California who God used to bring me back to that very FIRST love, and he is incredible! We were talking about a half a year ago now and he asked me "Do you know how Pharaoh determined the value of a slave???? By how many BRICKS he could produce! But the value of a son is determined by HOW MUCH HIS FATHER LOVES HIM AND NOTHING ELSE!!!! Our probelm is that so many of us are SLAVES cranking out bricks trying to display our value to God and so few are SONS just feeling free to walk up to our Dad and throw our arms around his neck, kiss it and whisper Dad I sure do Love you, and then just bask in HIS wonderful and freely given and certainly UNDESERVED LOVE" And I will tell you in a flash it all fell off of me! All the fear that the Lord would come and I wouldnt be ready, all the self inflicted loathing that I just wasn't doing enough or perfect enough, and ...oh yeah this is SO COOL!

He ( the pastor) brought out this question, "Do you know WHY God chose David King of Israel????? David tells us himself, "Because He LIKED ME!!!!" And you know My God LIKES me! My father LOVES me , and I love him and NO ONE is going to have the right any more to intrude into that sacred relationship and tell ME that I am or am NOT right with my God based on their ignorant and idiotic idiosyncrasies! Preach the WORD and I will listen and pray that God help me to implement it in my life, but no more of this ....krap about belt buckles or wedding rings or mustaches or christmas trees or or or!!! It simply AINT gonna happen anymore! I am NO LONGER A SLAVE I AM A SON OF GOD so................................................ .........................

***NO MORE BRICKS!!!!**************************************


What an EPIPHANY huh?! Its great and my walk with God has never been closer better or more enjoyable ! He WILL finish the work he has begun in me its a done deal! Calvary Works!

Wow! Great post! That will preach!