I will buy that. I still think there is no reason to go there.
my disagreement with the WWPF doesnt mean I need to disparage them. We can talk about what they have done in spicific terms, but we dont really know what is in their hearts that motivates them.
i dont know. i just dont want to be wrong about this myself. know what I mean?
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my personal feeling is let the bros do what they want to do, have a new organization, whatever, on the other hand belong to both fellowships, i dont think so, just my honest opinion, worth the cost of 10 seconds of my time, lol,dt
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wpf has been less than honorable througout the entire ordeal. an organization with no intent on being divisive will not start their own foreign missions department, general conferences, bible quizzing teams, etc.
The parallels with wpf and segregation is more than coincindence.
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I will buy that. I still think there is no reason to go there.
my disagreement with the WWPF doesnt mean I need to disparage them. We can talk about what they have done in spicific terms, but we dont really know what is in their hearts that motivates them.
i dont know. i just dont want to be wrong about this myself. know what I mean?
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wpf has been less than honorable througout the entire ordeal. an organization with no intent on being divisive will not start their own foreign missions department, general conferences, bible quizzing teams, etc.
The parallels with wpf and segregation is more than coincindence.
Unfortunately this structure is already a dinosaur.
If this is true.......several members of the WPF General Counsel serve on the General Board, so this could be very interesting indeed.
I can quote a very well known conference preacher (name withheld to protect the guilty) who told his DS "please don't make me choose, because you might not like the choice I make." If the UPCI takes such a stand, the have not learned anything from their past. The AMF, AWCF, both gained members who had no intention of leaving, but were not going to be "forced" to be exclusive. IMHO this decision, if indeed true, would take the UPCI back into the dark ages as it relates to open fellowship and breaking down the walls that separate us that KH has been an advocate of.
Who has been erecting the walls that separate us? Who has denied fellowship to whom? Is this the pot not calling the kettle black? Many WPF'rs have not changed. The had erected walls between them and others in the UPCI already. They had already formed their own fellowship groups, youth camps, and the like.
To now accuse the UPCI of erecting walls of separation between us is ludicrous. Actually, this move was probably the anticipated response the WPF leadership expected from the UPCI. Then they can highlight their stance of "we are not causing division, they are." Of course this kind of logic begs the question of who left whom?
I can't see anyone wanting to belong to the WPF and the UPCI both anyway.. just my opinion here, but those who joined WPF or have interest in doing so, are looking for an alternative to the UPCI it seems.
Just catching up on this thread and haven't read all the way through yet...
I sense a bit of disappointment over the WPF among the "ultracon" crowd. From their perspective there may not be all that much difference between UPC and WPF.
The leading WPF churches have Internet video broadcasts that resemble television production values. They use the "praise dancers" or whatever you want to call it. Most of them really don't appear to be much different than the UPC. The way it looks to me is that no "alternative" has really emerged. Those who want to leave will probably do so but go the independent route.
I actually liked the way some of the doctrines were articulated in the WPF docs. it's a shame they couldn't interact more within the UPC.
And, I still say that if NW had been elected California DS he would have proven to be a faithful UPC leader and would not have gone to Tulsa.
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