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02-16-2011, 12:26 PM
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Sister Alvear
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Re: Do You Believe In Women Preachers?
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Big yawn...So, I can't tell you what I Cor. 14:34 does mean, so I'll try to tell you what it "can't mean"! Even your hero Dr. Scheel said this is a tough verse to deal w/! How about just obeying it then??
I've told you ad nauseum that the term "Lal-eh-o" is alternately translated "to preach" at least 6x's! Ughh, there's you rverse forbidding women "to preach"..."when you come together"! But, I'm sure you'll just plod along like I didn't point this out [as you've done for about 2 years now] w/ quotes about "prophecy"! If it makes you feel better....... |
I have not mentioned Brother Scheel lately ...He is a wonderful person. No ladies in his family are preachers. His wife and I have been best friends since 6th grade....I spoke at his conference last April along with others. However my heros are many...and some include men such as Brother Epley that does NOT believe in women preachers. Brother Burr was one of my heros...in fact he taught my husband to deep sea fish. I have many heros that stand on different sides of the table on many issues....communion, hair, and just lots of things...I even have heros that are not Jesus name...but a person's salvation will depend on HIM saying well done not me...I personally feel baptism in JN is very important and feel that the Bible teaches it that way.
I loved the Voice of Martyrs founder and his wife...but on doctrine we were different...but I have deep respect for their sufferings in Communist lands...
So my friends I will be your friend no matter what you may say and I am certain you would help me in any way for after all is said and done...we all want to be saved...
Please forgive me if my spirit is wrong or has been wrong in any way....
Like about everyone I feel that I am right in what I believe but one day the Judge of the earth will stand up to judge...
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02-16-2011, 12:54 PM
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Re: Do You Believe In Women Preachers?
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Funny...you remind me of a school-boy who tells somebody "I Know you are, but what am I!". Then goes home & puffs his chest out to tell everyone how he really showed someone up at school today  !
Now, let me help you out w/ the grammar of the texts a bit: In Koine' Greek, the suffix of the terms realize the gender of the same, as you point out above. BTW, this is why Junias was a M-A-N & not a "women apostle" as some have hilariously tired to pass off. The name is a 3rd declension masculine noun [not feminine]. When it comes to Anna, you would do well to look up the literal def. of the term "prophetess"," then come back & tell us if this says anything about a "Minister/Preacher"! O' & spare me the obsolte Young's too [who adamantly believed in 'women preacher's'.
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Spare you the obsolete (please get a dictionary) Young's? As if I was going to quote Young's? lol I don't see anything here that refutes my point. Just more red herring
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Now, since you have not filled in one single blank asking you to demonstrate where women expounded from the text of God's Word...I'll safely assume you can't do it! And you're talikng to ME about "ripping out of contexts"  ??
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We were talking about prophetesses...you asked where in the NT we find a prophetess and I answered., Once again you introduce a red herring. Im sure others notice that your argument has relied heavily on style (bold letters, dark colors, smily faces and misdirected arguments, which all mask frantic hand waving) over substance.
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Funny, I have enough sense to comprehend "I do not allow a woman to teach, OR TO EXCERCISE AUTHORITY OVER A MAN...". Hmmm, I suppose, since this is "talking about the marriage life in the home," then only single women can "preach"?? Oh...that's right, there roles automatically flop when they come to church!! You're a hoot Prax...how about just believing the Bible to save yourself this embarrassment!
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And you obviously disobey the bible when you don't go around greeting every brother and sister with a kiss...so why are you so selective about what you will obey or teach others from the word?
You still can't prove how "exercise authority" means "Preaching what the bible says" which is as an inane an assertion anyone can make
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02-16-2011, 12:55 PM
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Re: Do You Believe In Women Preachers?
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Hey Prax...will have to address the entire Acts 1 thing later...busy. BUT, wanted to ask if you think only women are in the church, since you keep emphasizing the feminine gender of the term church? Or, could it be that this is because the church is listed as a Bride, married to a bride-groom? Clearly the gender is meta-phorical in its usage...which I wouldn't think I'd have to point out! |
Of course not. That is my point! Church is feminine yet it does not mean the church is a woman. Same with the generic term for all disciples being in the masculine does not mean all the church is a man or men. lol...well that one went way over your head didn't it?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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02-16-2011, 12:57 PM
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Re: Do You Believe In Women Preachers?
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Ughh, it's your "arguments that aren't working." You're trying to pass off everyone who prophesies is automatically a "prophet".....absurd! You're attempted deflections about police officers, gardeners, dermatologists, electricians is too silly to even respond to!
Oh & NONE of your defintions supported "women preacher's in the 5-fold ministry"! Sorry Charlie...try again!
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That is the definition of a prophet, someone that prophesies.
Your attempt to avoid my point about police officers, which is what a real deflection is, is very obvious and revealing. Your avoidance of my point about Paul defining someone that is used in the gift of prophecy is a prophet is also obvious and revealing
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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02-16-2011, 12:58 PM
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Re: Do You Believe In Women Preachers?
AFF's longest-going thread... ever?
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02-16-2011, 12:59 PM
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Forever Loved Admin
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Re: Do You Believe In Women Preachers?
Aren't y'all done yet?
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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02-16-2011, 12:59 PM
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Re: Do You Believe In Women Preachers?
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Aren't y'all done yet?
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We haven't figured this issue out yet.
This thread will be a permanent one here on AFF. Just get used to it!
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02-16-2011, 12:59 PM
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Re: Do You Believe In Women Preachers?
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AFF's longest-going thread... ever?
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It may be closing in on the 1-stepper, 3-stepper thread.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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02-16-2011, 01:00 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: Do You Believe In Women Preachers?
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Originally Posted by rdp
You're tired argument about the kiss demonstrable poor "hermeneutics," not to mention an equivocation fallacy. It says, "I cannot explain I Tim. 2:11-15, so I'll just try to poke holes in his argument by asking if he greets everyone w/ a kiss!" According to this logic NONE of the Bible is for us today !
It's all "culturally relative"! Way to go prax! |
lol, dude you obviously don't know what an equivocation fallacy is, you should stop throwing these big words out there that you don't understand
I already explained 1tim 2, then you brought us down another rabbit hole of what a prophetess was.
According to what argument and how do you get that according to that argument none of the bible is for us today? If you admit kissing is for us today why don't you greet all brothers and sisters with a kiss?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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02-16-2011, 01:16 PM
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Sister Alvear
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Re: Do You Believe In Women Preachers?
Why don´t we just agree to be friends and admit we see things in a different light?
my hero is Sister Agnes Holmes....
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