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Old 08-04-2007, 06:17 PM
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Well if the man is a pastor and a saint in the church dies, guess who will leave the camp meeting early and purchase a $700 plane ticket to go home and do the funeral? If a guy preaches out a few times a year, I don't see a problem with him preaching the camp and getting paid by the church. He will most likely be on the phone counseling saints, fielding questions from his staff, calling a sick saint, praying over the phone with a troubled individual or someone about to go into surgery. Plus he will be studying and praying for the sermons he has to preach on the Sunday he gets home. So, he's still earning his salary.
Good answer, DB.
Even though he's not physically in the area of his church, he is still carrying them in his heart.
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Old 08-04-2007, 06:25 PM
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overheard in the conference room as the church board has assembled to pray,

"Lord, keep our pastor poor and humble.
We'll keep him poor,
You keep him humble."
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Old 08-04-2007, 06:28 PM
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I heard this somewhere and don't know if it's true or not.

A man was on his way out of the church building and was complaining about the preacher and how it wasn't much of a sermon.
An usher (who had helped receive the offering) said,
"Well, what did you expect for a dollar? Billy Graham?"
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Old 08-04-2007, 06:31 PM
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speaking of Billy Graham,

does anybody know what his salary, benefits, etc. were when he was active?

How about Franklin Graham? He has taken over his father's job if I remember correctly, and he is also ceo of Samaritan's Purse.

These figures may be available to the public but I don't know what they are.
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Old 08-04-2007, 06:45 PM
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speaking of Billy Graham,

does anybody know what his salary, benefits, etc. were when he was active?

How about Franklin Graham? He has taken over his father's job if I remember correctly, and he is also ceo of Samaritan's Purse.

These figures may be available to the public but I don't know what they are.
I'd be more interested in Kenneth Haney's salary and annual love offerings. Does anyone know? I'd bet it would be much easier to find out about Billy Graham's than it would Kenneth Haney's. Whadayathink?

Wonder what you would get if you were to just walk up to him and ask him this question?

Think you would get a long blank stare?
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Old 08-05-2007, 01:14 AM
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speaking of Billy Graham,

does anybody know what his salary, benefits, etc. were when he was active?

How about Franklin Graham? He has taken over his father's job if I remember correctly, and he is also ceo of Samaritan's Purse.

These figures may be available to the public but I don't know what they are.
I read an article on Billy Graham that discussed his finances. His ministry has meticulous oversight. He always took a very modest salary and has never made himself more that very modestly comfortable.

I'm not sure about Franklin. I don't agree with Graham's doctrine, obviously, but the man has been a good example of modesty and carefulness that too few "celebrity preachers" care to follow.
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This may have been already mention, since J Lee Grady runs the magazine he should stop biting the hand that feeds him. The reason I buy Charisma is the same reason I buy my local paper. I buy it so I can who got in trouble or who got caught.

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Online editorial from Charisma Magazine for 7/27/07

The Deadly Virus of Celebrity Christianity
By J. Lee. Grady

Some bigheaded preachers demand rock star treatment. If the apostle Paul were around today he might throw rocks at them.

Just when I thought we charismatics had finally taken enough abuse from the egomaniac ministers in our midst, I’ve learned that some of our leaders are taking things to a new extreme. We’ve moved beyond the red carpets, limousines and entourages of the 1990s. A new strain of the celebrity virus is spreading in large segments of the church.

One friend of mine in Texas recently inquired to see if a prominent preacher could speak at her conference. The minister’s assistant faxed back a list of requirements that had to be met in order to book a speaking engagement. The demands included:

* a five-figure honorarium
* a $10,000 gasoline deposit for the private plane
* a manicurist and hairstylist for the speaker
* a suite in a five-star hotel
* a luxury car from the airport to the hotel (2004 model or newer)
* room-temperature Perrier

This really makes me wonder how the apostle Paul, Timothy or Priscilla managed ministering to so many people in Ephesus, Corinth and Thessalonica. How did they survive without a manicurist if they broke a nail while laying hands on the sick?

I was relieved to know that this celebrity preacher’s requirements in 2007 did not include a set of armed bodyguards—because I just might want to jump uninvited into her Rolls-Royce and say a few words.

It gets worse, if you can believe it. At a charismatic conference in an East Coast city recently, a pastor stood on a stage in front of a large crowd and smugly announced that the guest speaker was “more than an apostle.” Then the host asked everyone to bow down to the person, claiming that this posture was necessary to release God’s power.

“This is the only way you can receive this kind of anointing!” the host declared, bowing in front of the speaker. Immediately, about 80 percent of the audience fell prostrate on the floor. The few who were uncomfortable with the weird spiritual control in the room either walked out or stood in silent protest.

So today, I guess it’s not enough to feed a celebrity preacher’s ego by treating them like a rock star. We also are required to worship him.

And apparently in some places you even have to pay big bucks to speak with him. In a city in the South, a well-known preacher is known to ask for money in order to secure a five- or 10-minute counseling session. The minister uses Proverbs 18:16, “A man’s gift makes room for him and brings him before great men” (NASB), to support this bizarre practice. Some people are known to give more than $1,000 for a short meeting.

People on fixed incomes need not apply. (That would include lepers, blind beggars, Samaritan women or any other social outcasts who were welcomed and healed by Jesus without payment.)

What has become of the American church? What is this sickness spreading in the body of Christ? I don’t know whom to blame more for it: The narcissistic minister who craves the attention, or the spiritually naive crowds who place these arrogant people on their shaky pedestals. All I know is that God is grieved by all of this shameful carnality.

How far we have fallen from authentic New Testament faith. Paul, who carried the anointing of an apostle but often described himself as a bond slave, told the Thessalonians, “Having so fond an affection for you, we were well-pleased to impart to you not only the gospel of God but also our own lives” (1 Thess. 2:.

New Testament Christianity is humble, selfless and authentic. And those who carry the truth don’t preach for selfish gain or to meet an emotional need for attention. May God help us root out the false apostles and false teachers who are making the American church sick with their man-centered, money-focused heresies.

J. Lee Grady is editor of Charisma.
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Old 08-05-2007, 06:43 AM
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How sick?

How sick, indeed!
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Online editorial from Charisma Magazine for 7/27/07

The Deadly Virus of Celebrity Christianity
By J. Lee. Grady

Some bigheaded preachers demand rock star treatment. If the apostle Paul were around today he might throw rocks at them.

Just when I thought we charismatics had finally taken enough abuse from the egomaniac ministers in our midst, I’ve learned that some of our leaders are taking things to a new extreme. We’ve moved beyond the red carpets, limousines and entourages of the 1990s. A new strain of the celebrity virus is spreading in large segments of the church.

One friend of mine in Texas recently inquired to see if a prominent preacher could speak at her conference. The minister’s assistant faxed back a list of requirements that had to be met in order to book a speaking engagement. The demands included:

* a five-figure honorarium
* a $10,000 gasoline deposit for the private plane
* a manicurist and hairstylist for the speaker
* a suite in a five-star hotel
* a luxury car from the airport to the hotel (2004 model or newer)
* room-temperature Perrier

This really makes me wonder how the apostle Paul, Timothy or Priscilla managed ministering to so many people in Ephesus, Corinth and Thessalonica. How did they survive without a manicurist if they broke a nail while laying hands on the sick?

I was relieved to know that this celebrity preacher’s requirements in 2007 did not include a set of armed bodyguards—because I just might want to jump uninvited into her Rolls-Royce and say a few words.

It gets worse, if you can believe it. At a charismatic conference in an East Coast city recently, a pastor stood on a stage in front of a large crowd and smugly announced that the guest speaker was “more than an apostle.” Then the host asked everyone to bow down to the person, claiming that this posture was necessary to release God’s power.

“This is the only way you can receive this kind of anointing!” the host declared, bowing in front of the speaker. Immediately, about 80 percent of the audience fell prostrate on the floor. The few who were uncomfortable with the weird spiritual control in the room either walked out or stood in silent protest.

So today, I guess it’s not enough to feed a celebrity preacher’s ego by treating them like a rock star. We also are required to worship him.

And apparently in some places you even have to pay big bucks to speak with him. In a city in the South, a well-known preacher is known to ask for money in order to secure a five- or 10-minute counseling session. The minister uses Proverbs 18:16, “A man’s gift makes room for him and brings him before great men” (NASB), to support this bizarre practice. Some people are known to give more than $1,000 for a short meeting.

People on fixed incomes need not apply. (That would include lepers, blind beggars, Samaritan women or any other social outcasts who were welcomed and healed by Jesus without payment.)

What has become of the American church? What is this sickness spreading in the body of Christ? I don’t know whom to blame more for it: The narcissistic minister who craves the attention, or the spiritually naive crowds who place these arrogant people on their shaky pedestals. All I know is that God is grieved by all of this shameful carnality.

How far we have fallen from authentic New Testament faith. Paul, who carried the anointing of an apostle but often described himself as a bond slave, told the Thessalonians, “Having so fond an affection for you, we were well-pleased to impart to you not only the gospel of God but also our own lives” (1 Thess. 2:.

New Testament Christianity is humble, selfless and authentic. And those who carry the truth don’t preach for selfish gain or to meet an emotional need for attention. May God help us root out the false apostles and false teachers who are making the American church sick with their man-centered, money-focused heresies.

J. Lee Grady is editor of Charisma.
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