Universal Salvation

[crakjak]

Eze 16:60-63

"Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy YOUTH, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant. Then thou shalt remember thy ways, and be ashamed, when thou shalt receive thy sisters, thine elder and thy younger: and I will give them unto thee for daughters, but not by thy covenant. And I will establish my covenant with thee; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD: That thou mayest remember, and be confounded, and never open thy mouth any more because of thy shame, when I am pacified toward thee for all that thou hast done, saith the Lord GOD."

These verses may have a twofold focus that includes the Gentiles, but knowing the history of Sodom and Samaria, you can't just simply discard its application to their restoration as well.

With the traditional view that God casts away eternally those that die in rebellion you have to find and excuse for this applying to Sodom and Samaria. However, with the view of God finding every lost sheep, and every prodigal finally being restored to relationship with the Father, Sodom and Samaria being restored is not difficult.

[mfblume]

Crak,

Nothing in the bible explicitly states universal salvation. Period.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Jesus said he came "to seek and to save that which was lost." Luke 19:10. Not that which was in danger of being lost, but that which was lost. All mankind were lost.

Joh 1:11-12 KJV He came unto his own, and his own received him not. (12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Always a stipulation is found in the text.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Joh 1:11-12 KJV He came unto his own, and his own received him not. (12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Always a stipulation is found in the text.

11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.


It is an act of God, my friend, not an act of man.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by crakjak

11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.


It is an act of God, my friend, not an act of man.

But it still says that a stipulation occurs. "As man as received him," not everyone.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Jesus said he came "to seek and to save that which was lost."

Now that I'm out of exile we can back to our discussion. Now CJ how does the above reconcile with the Gospel of Inclusion "Universalism"?

When Peter preached in Acts 2:38 he tells those of Israel that they had to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the removal of "sins" and that they would be filled with the Holy Ghost.

Doesn't it make sense that those Jesus was seeking needed to fulfill certain requirements to be saved? Therefore fulfilling Acts 2:38.

Originally Posted by crakjak

Luke 19:10. Not that which was in danger of being lost, but that which was lost. All mankind were lost. Jesus, therefore, came to save all mankind.

I think we all understand that the Gospel is unto all, but all who have repented. I think the Inclusionist group sees the scripture using the word "all" and interpret it to mean every single person whether they accepted the Gospel or rejected the Gospel. The Inclusionists believe that everyone from the sweet saint of God to John Wayne Gacey are saved.



Act 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth ALL MEN EVERY WHERE TO REPENT."

Originally Posted by crakjak

He came to do or accomplish the will of God. John 6: 38, "For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me." We have seen that God's will is that all men should be saved.

2Pe 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

If the Gospel that was preached by Peter didn't hinge on conditions then why the above statement? I would like you to deal with the above verse.
Peter is obviously talking about a condition that needed God to be longsuffering in order that those who were in danger of perishing could meet the requirements.

Originally Posted by crakjak

The testimony of Jesus on this point is, John 6:39, "And this is the will of him that sent me, that of all which he hath given me, I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day." This is not only the will of God respecting all who are given to Christ, but it is also his will that those who believe in the gospel should have everlasting life here in this world.

CJ, only those who BELIEVE have everlasting life those are those succored by the Father. Those who are lead by the Spirit of God THEY are the Sons of God. Ted Bundy loses out any chance to gain the title of "Son of God" but he died in wickedness to burn in a devil's hell.

Originally Posted by crakjak

John 6:40, "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one that seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life." Compare this with John 5:24 and 17:3. Not any who are given to Christ then will eventually be lost.

Yes, indeed compare those scriptures and they prove that it's only those who SEETH "UNDERSTAND" and BELIEVETH "TO CONTINUE IN BELIEF" may have EVERLASTING LIFE.

John 5:23-25

"That ALL MEN should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that HEARETH my word, and BELIEVETH on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall NOT come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live."

CJ, within John 5:23-25 we have ONE GROUP who will be SAVED and another group who will be damned eternally.

Originally Posted by crakjak

Well, how many are given to Christ? Ps. 2:7, 8, "I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession."

Psalm 2:7-8 is simply speaking of Christ being all in all having full dominion.
We must rightly divide the Word of God and prudently put the entire scripture together and see that Jesus has all the power in heaven and earth and therefore is King of kings and Lord of lords.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

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