*** [Exclusive] Resolution 3: The Bloodbath and Inquisition begins ****

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Anti-semitism is nothing new either, Elder ... but historically it has reared it's head in various "new ways" ...

Russia had it's pogroms.
Germany had it's Final Solution and Crystalnacht.

This Resolution is a new twist to an old practice ... it's now being abused as predicted.

Dan one of the reasons the AMF formed was because of this practice. The org. made good men off limits simply because they were not UPC or had left.
Elder Bean was preaching more than one revival where many were recieving the HG and an official would call him and tell him to shut it down. Of course he would ask the official is there anything in this man's life-does he preach the message? The answer would be just shut down and leave OR..............
he just faced the Ors several times him and Joe Duke. Same thing.

[delta soundman]

You are all right that this is about control. But really its not the DS's fault. He is in the middle of something that he thinks he has all the information on but he doesn't know the half of it.

[JaneEyre]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Dan one of the reasons the AMF formed was because of this practice. The org. made good men off limits simply because they were not UPC or had left.Elder Bean was preaching more than one revival where many were recieving the HG and an official would call him and tell him to shut it down. Of course he would ask the official is there anything in this man's life-does he preach the message? The answer would be just shut down and leave OR..............
he just faced the Ors several times him and Joe Duke. Same thing.

Organizations - any organization - that gets to the point to where it's more about preserving the organization than winning souls and helping people, then the organization is a stink in the nostrils of God. It goes along with the "ME" generation or in this case the "WE" generation of preserving the organization at the cost of souls. It's about turf and politics. It makes me angry and nauseated. I have seen people used as pawns in the game while the Kings don't really go forth except to protect their territory. God will judge the leaders harshly and what a travesty this is - all in the name of "The Church".

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by JaneEyre

Organizations - any organization - that gets to the point to where it's more about preserving the organization than winning souls and helping people, then the organization is a stink in the nostrils of God. It goes along with the "ME" generation or in this case the "WE" generation of preserving the organization at the cost of souls. It's about turf and politics. It makes me angry and nauseated. I have seen people used as pawns in the game while the Kings don't really go forth except to protect their territory. God will judge the leaders harshly and what a travesty this is - all in the name of "The Church".

Politics is in the nature of man it is an exercise of ego and it always trys to usurp God's glory. It has to be crucified like the rest of the works of the flesh.

Originally Posted by Encryptus

So you are publically stating that teaching/preaching theology does not constitute "conduct" under this clause???

In my opinion. However that and a couple of bucks will get you coffee at Starbucks.

[Stephanas]

Originally Posted by Guy

In my opinion. However that and a couple of bucks will get you coffee at Starbucks.

(a) The term "under question" shall be taken to mean a formal decision by a District Board reflecting a concern that conduct in flagrant violation of the Manual of the United Pentecostal Church International has occurred.

It's not much of a stretch to think that failure to preach and uphold the traditional standards could be viewed as "conduct in flagrant violation of the Manual."

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Encryptus

So you are publically stating that teaching/preaching theology does not constitute "conduct" under this clause???

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Agreed ... it is a control device ...

Why didn't the resolution specifically address the problem it sought to solve ... by addressing that it would be a safety valve for those officially under investigation ... as it stands ... the good ole boys could sit down and compile lists with or without probable cause ... yes?

Originally Posted by philjones

It (the rule of law covered in res. #3) is too ambiguous and is rife with the potential for legal action. I know of a poster on this forum who left by lapsing his credentials. His former district board, post withdrawal for non payment of dues, voted to put him under question and then caused several scheduled meetings to be canceled. Others in his circle of fellowship got the same treatment. This rule flies in the face of the autonomous local assembly! It is a control tactic and a tool for division and destruction of brotherhood!

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Which means that Preterists, Divine Fleshers and those that don't teach Holiness dress standards are now welcomed in the ark?

Originally Posted by Stephanas

It's not much of a stretch to think that failure to preach and uphold the traditional standards could be viewed as "conduct in flagrant violation of the Manual."

Bump for GUY

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Bump for GUY

Thanks for the bump Dan!
Not sure what you are looking for.
Preterists etc. are covered already by the manual.
I'm well aware of how the clause can be misused, but the misuse Phil speaks of happened long before Tampa.
The amendment is not that big a deal.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Guy

Thanks for the bump Dan!
Not sure what you are looking for.
Preterists etc. are covered already by the manual.
I'm well aware of how the clause can be misused, but the misuse Phil speaks of happened long before Tampa.
The amendment is not that big a deal.

The code of ethics is also a position/teaching in the manual.... will those planning the Apostolic Summit and actively recruiting for the new UC org be brought up on ethical charges and placed "under question" and/or labeled w/ "conduct unbecoming a minister", Bishop? Can they also be in violation of the disunity of the brethren clause of the affirmation statement and the agreements they signed for at licensure?

(a) The term "under question" shall be taken to mean a formal decision by a District Board reflecting a concern that conduct in flagrant violation of the Manual of the United Pentecostal Church International has occurred.

(b) The term "conduct unbecoming a minister" shall be taken to mean any conduct of a moral, financial, or ethical nature that would cause a reproach upon the ministry.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Actually Daniel, If I was the UPC pastor in that area, I would not be real happy that a UPC man is coming to anther NON UPC church in my city, and in many ways working against my local assembly.

So my question first would be WHY is the EVANGELIST not going to the local UPC church instead??

matt..the evangelist is cominig to preach the gospel...how is that working against another church???????