Mark of the Beast may be only 2 1/2 years away

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by loran adkins

What is death? Jesus told the woman at the well in Sameria that " if you believe in me you shall never die" how does that work in the way you see things? Where does it say or talk about the fate of all humans? If we are talking about only the nation of Israel, and I am talking about the whole nation not just Judah or Israel as they are spoken of in Rev. as the twelve tribes. The judgement was to the apostate Israel as a whole.

You can make your play on words all you want, but we that were not of the natural seed of Abraham are become of the seed of Abraham by faith in Christ in the new covenant. The old covenant had to come to an end in order for the new covenant to come into place in all its fullness. The old covenant came to its final end at the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple. This was the end of all prophecy as I see it.

So non Israelites have no fate after death, good or bad? Just a big blank "Nothing to see here"? No data?

Romans 2:5-16 KJV
But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; [6] Who will render to every man according to his deeds: [7] To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: [8] But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, [9] Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; [10] But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: [11] For there is no respect of persons with God. [12] For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; [13] (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. [14] For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: [15] Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another [16] In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Clearly Paul had access to data you claim to be absent, for he speaks of judgment to ALL whether Jew or Gentile, good or bad.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by loran adkins

What is death? Jesus told the woman at the well in Sameria that " if you believe in me you shall never die" how does that work in the way you see things? Where does it say or talk about the fate of all humans? If we are talking about only the nation of Israel, and I am talking about the whole nation not just Judah or Israel as they are spoken of in Rev. as the twelve tribes. The judgement was to the apostate Israel as a whole.

You can make your play on words all you want, but we that were not of the natural seed of Abraham are become of the seed of Abraham by faith in Christ in the new covenant. The old covenant had to come to an end in order for the new covenant to come into place in all its fullness. The old covenant came to its final end at the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple. This was the end of all prophecy as I see it.

Brother Loran, you are saying only Christians have eternal life? Therefore non Christian haven’t eternal life, but eternal death. Right?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Brother Loran, you are saying only Christians have eternal life? Therefore non Christian haven’t eternal life, but eternal death. Right?

It sounds like he is saying only Israelites faced a judgment, and non-Israelites were simply not judged one way or the other. That seems to be the import of his statement.

[loran adkins]

Originally Posted by Esaias

It sounds like he is saying only Israelites faced a judgment, and non-Israelites were simply not judged one way or the other. That seems to be the import of his statement.

I thought we were talking about the one great white throne judgment, spoken of in Revelation. I was taught that we were judged when we died and then at the great white throne judgment at the end of time. As I believe that revelation speaks of the time leading up to the destruction of Jerusalem and not speaking of the end of time. The great white throne judgement must therefor have happened at the demise of Jerusalem.

[loran adkins]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Brother Loran, you are saying only Christians have eternal life? Therefore non Christian haven’t eternal life, but eternal death. Right?

right!!!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by loran adkins

I thought we were talking about the one great white throne judgment, spoken of in Revelation. I was taught that we were judged when we died and then at the great white throne judgment at the end of time. As I believe that revelation speaks of the time leading up to the destruction of Jerusalem and not speaking of the end of time. The great white throne judgement must therefor have happened at the demise of Jerusalem.

You were taught everyone is judged twice? Weird.

I was asking about the judgment of all the dead.

Do you believe the Bible teaches a judgment of all the dead OTHER than the one mentioned several times in Revelation?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So non Israelites have no fate after death, good or bad? Just a big blank "Nothing to see here"? No data?

Romans 2:5-16 KJV
But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; [6] Who will render to every man according to his deeds: [7] To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: [8] But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, [9] Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; [10] But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: [11] For there is no respect of persons with God. [12] For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; [13] (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. [14] For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: [15] Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) [16] In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Clearly Paul had access to data you claim to be absent, for he speaks of judgment to ALL whether Jew or Gentile, good or bad.

Loren, when Paul here speaks of the "day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God", he is talking about a day of wrath and judgment OTHER than the one in Revelation?

[Esaias]

Awhile back, I had asked where all the apostolics went? There used to be HUNDREDS of apostolics just on this forum alone at pretty much any time day or night. There were other forums as well (remember Higher Fire, or whatever it was called?) that also had hundreds and sometimes thousands of apostolics discussing various things.

But over time they all dried up. There has been for YEARS practically NOTHING online as far as apostolic discussion forums, boards, chatrooms, etc. It's as if 99.999% of apostolics just got off the internet altogether, all at pretty much the same time.

Anyways, I was told "they all went to facebook". Facebook was the new thing that had apparently supplanted all the old discussion boards and forums.

So, I visited facebook a few minutes ago. I searched for apostolic pentecostal groups. I found numerous churches that have their own facebook pages (to be expected), and a bunch of groups. Most of these groups haven't made a single post in several years. There were four or five I found that had recent posts, but apparently they are all run by the same person and are just duplicating posts.

Meanwhile, on these facebook groups, it's all nothing but meme pictures with pithy little quotes and cute sceneries. ZERO "discussion" of anything. I was never sure how facebook could process "discussions" anyway since the format just doesn't seem suited to it.

So where'd they all go? Twitter obviously is not the place for in depth discussion of anything. Instagram, tiktok, snapchat, etc are also simply not designed for any kind of discussions, they are all for sound bites and memes. Did I miss the rapture or something?

[shag]

They don’t care for being proven wrong on things in discussions, so it’s “easier” to just hit the road?

I’d like to know the answer as well…
For me, I like to watch the discussions mostly, it takes me FOREVER to type anything out.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shag

They don’t care for being proven wrong on things in discussions, so it’s “easier” to just hit the road?

I’d like to know the answer as well…
For me, I like to watch the discussions mostly, it takes me FOREVER to type anything out.