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Old 04-15-2009, 04:13 PM
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Re: Is There Valid Law Authorizing Income Taxes?

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Ferd, watch the vid. That will answer your question!
No it wont.
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Old 04-15-2009, 04:17 PM
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Miss B, FTR I & D4T both pay and file taxes in our respective countries.
The question pointed out in the video was the proper ratification of the 16th ammendment.
I never suggested that you don't pay taxes.

So the idea is that the Amendment wasn't properly ratified, and thus isn't applicable?

What would qualify as improperly ratified?
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Re: Is There Valid Law Authorizing Income Taxes?

Ron, for you to continuously point everyone in the direction of a video instead of explaining the issue in your own words is reminiscent of the judge that the juror claimed wouldn't provide them with the tax law.

If I wanted to watch videos on youtube rather than have a conversation on a forum with real brains behind the posts, then that's what I'd do.

Ergo, when you're asked questions, you should just try to answer them in your own words--especially if its a topic you are familiar with.
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Old 04-15-2009, 04:31 PM
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Re: Is There Valid Law Authorizing Income Taxes?

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No it wont.
Ferd, then you are prejudging something before you even see it!
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Old 04-15-2009, 04:37 PM
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Ron, for you to continuously point everyone in the direction of a video instead of explaining the issue in your own words is reminiscent of the judge that the juror claimed wouldn't provide them with the tax law.

If I wanted to watch videos on youtube rather than have a conversation on a forum with real brains behind the posts, then that's what I'd do.

Ergo, when you're asked questions, you should just try to answer them in your own words--especially if its a topic you are familiar with.
Miss B, it can also go to the fact that if you do not view the video then you do not care & thus it is a mute point of discussion.

No that isn't the same as the judge pointing out law & watching a you tube.
If you do not watch the video, you are not going to jail.
If the Judge doesn't know the law, then it could have serious consequences for a person!

I hope you are being silly!
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Old 04-15-2009, 04:39 PM
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Re: Is There Valid Law Authorizing Income Taxes?

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The Ignorance here is amazing. When an amendment is attached to the Constitution, regardless of what the Constitution said before it is now changed to include the words of the Amendment.

Also, the fact is the 16th was passed.
YAwn and the ignorance is on your part! Been there done that!
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Old 04-15-2009, 04:42 PM
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Re: Is There Valid Law Authorizing Income Taxes?

Also it makes no difference whether it was ratfied or not. Due to many reason I could discuss but seeing the level of which people watch and listen not going to do it and waste my time.

The income tax is a fraud and so is the Federal Reserve of which the IRS is nothing but a third party collection agency
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Also it makes no difference whether it was ratfied or not. Due to many reason I could discuss but seeing the level of which people watch and listen not going to do it and waste my time.

The income tax is a fraud and so is the Federal Reserve of which the IRS is nothing but a third party collection agency
What is your take on the FairTax?
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Old 04-15-2009, 04:53 PM
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Re: Is There Valid Law Authorizing Income Taxes?

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no, the legality of U. S. Income taxation.

Ferd, watch the vid. That will answer your question!

Actually the video made a false claim and proves you are wrong.

Read the tax laws,. We do not get law from youtube.

Are you going to read Cornell law review for truth? Tax law uses the eXpression Internal revenue code. It is legislation from congress.

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Secret” IRS Tax Liens You May Not Even Know About
Internal Revenue Code 6321 says an IRS tax lien is automatic, whenever the IRS decides you owe them money and you don't pay. This initial IRS tax lien doesn't exist on any paper filed in your local courthouse. You can think of it as a kind of “secret” IRS tax lien, that is allowed by law or statute, which is why it's called a “statutory lien.” There's no public record of a statutory tax lien. But it is very real
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the law even allows for the IRS to legally attach assets if they think you owe and haven't filed.

Lot of folks go to youtube and listen to second hand hearsay) from 3rd parties and don't go for facts and truth.

Here is the criminal tax manual.
http://www.usdoj.gov/tax/readingroom/2001ctm/index.htm


8.02 GENERALLY

The Supreme Court has stated that section 7201 includes two offenses:
(a) the willful attempt to evade or defeat the assessment of a tax and (b)
the willful attempt to evade or defeat the payment of a tax. Sansone v.
United States, 380 U.S. 343, 354 (1965). Evasion of assessment entails
an attempt to prevent the government from determining a taxpayer's true tax
liability. Evasion of payment entails an attempt to evade the payment of
that liability. See United States v. Hogan, 861 F.2d 312, 315
(1st Cir. 1988); United States v. Dack, 747 F.2d 1172, 1174 (7th Cir.
1984). Although Sansone has been cited for the proposition that
evasion of payment and evasion of assessment constitute two distinct crimes,
see, e.g., United States v. Hogan, 861 F.2d at 315,
several circuits have recently rejected duplicity challenges to indictments
by holding that section 7201 proscribes only one crime, tax evasion, which
can be committed either by attempting to evade assessment or by attempting
to evade payment. See United States v. Mal, 942 F.2d 682, 686
(9th Cir. 1991); United States v. Dunkel, 900 F.2d 105, 107 (7th Cir.
1990), judgment vacated, 498 U.S. 1043 (1991), ruling on duplicity
issue reinstated on remand, 927 F.2d 955, 956 (7th Cir. 1991); United
States v. Masat, 896 F.2d 88, 91 (5th Cir. 1990), appeal after
remand, 948 F.2d 923 (5th Cir. 1991). Furthermore, although the First
Circuit initially expressed some skepticism concerning whether Masat
and Dunkel were consistent with Sansone, see United
States v. Waldeck, 909 F.2d 555, 557-58 (1st Cir. 1990), it subsequently
relied on Dunkel in rejecting a duplicity claim: "No matter how one
resolves the semantic question, moreover, it is beyond reasonable dispute
that the indictment charged [defendant] with a single, cognizable crime, and
that the jury convicted him of the same crime. See United States
v. Dunkel, 900 F.2d 105, 107 (7th Cir. 1990)." United States v

So when they say there are no laws and the court cases refer to laws, we know someone isn't truthfull.

It would be dishonest to see a speech by a juror and use that as evidence.

The legal system in America doesn't work that way.
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Old 04-15-2009, 04:55 PM
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Re: Is There Valid Law Authorizing Income Taxes?

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What is your take on the FairTax?
I met Huckabee. He made a great point. drug dealers and prostitutes don't pay any taxes. Taxation when services and goods change hands catches a lot more people.
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