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Old 07-24-2007, 08:49 AM
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Actually, I think there's some Bible to back this no jewelry thing. Brother Epley made a good point about it being tolerated by God in the OT and them always taking it off whenever they were trying to get back right with Him. The principle is there, Brother. I will agree it's not a spelled out thou shalt not type of thing, but the principle is still there.

I see the hair, pants, etc. thing to be the right principle, but misapplied.
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I don't agree with him [Steve Epley - ed.] that a preacher isn't a real man of God if he doesn't preach against jewelry, but I can accept that he sees it that way.
Rico,

Thank you for stating your position.

Are you willing to elaborate on the bible you use to get there?

I think I perceive some depth, awareness, and sensibility bubbling up through the anti-ultracon reactionary in you.

Who says these forums can't be helpful?
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:52 AM
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I am in total agreement. I couldn't have stated it better. One of the most annoying issues is seeing UPC women , with children, and a bare hand!
In a culture that has accepted single motherhood, we need to "proclaim" marriage, and a ring is the recognizable symbol!.
This is symmetrical to what I posted earlier, so you may presume that I will agree with it. Are we bringing reproach upon the church, or at least the Apostolic, standards-keeping church, when we appear in public to be a bunch of unwed holiness mothers?

I would be interested to learn what bible or biblical principles you use to reinforce your position on this topic.
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:54 AM
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Thank God, our culture doesn't believe in a anaconda bone through the nose.
When in Rome, . . .

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Anyone care to produce the scripture that says a woman must wear a wedding ring to show she is married.
Quit teasing us, you know it's in there both in II Hezekiah and in Macabees
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:56 AM
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Actually the OT does not merely have God tolerating Jewelry, but promoting it by referring to righteous Israel having jewels or how God wanted to deck Israel with Jewels....it was when Israel was bad that God wanted to take her jewels and that was the same principle of Israel taking off their jewels to get right with God...they also put on sackclothe and ashes. That doesn't mean God hated Jewelry or only tolerated it.
This is good discussion. Now how do you temper this with the NT?
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Old 07-24-2007, 09:07 AM
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I find it unsettling when you have grown adults who must ask other what they should do... God gave you a mind use it!
In the spirit of turnabout being fair play, I would ask you to employ your mind at re-reading the original post and the original questions. I typed it as slow as I could, so you should be able to read it.

I am curious, as an individual, what biblical principles people bring to bear in their thinking on this topic. I even went so far as to explain what specifically sparked my curiosity, and if you combine that with one of my later posts, you'll see that I wonder if owning a ring but not wearing it is hypocrisy. I'm most likely not going to change my view or my practices. But don't we always say in church that if somebody shows us more truth than what we presently know, that we are all for it? Through the church attendance of all these internet participants, I have a form of access, albeit filtered, to bible teachers that I otherwise would not.

I am not hunched over my monitor, trembling with nervous anticipation and drooling on my keyboard, waiting for that one post that will finally change my life. I'm not that shallow, and I'm not that easily influenced.

The appropriate response for somebody with your opinion, to wit, that the topic should not be discussed or inquired after at all, is to ignore this thread. Although in the interests of full disclosure I can't say that I haven't enjoyed interacting with you.
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Old 07-24-2007, 09:09 AM
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Anyone care to produce the scripture that says a woman must wear a wedding ring to show she is married.



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Old 07-24-2007, 09:14 AM
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In the spirit of turnabout being fair play, I would ask you to employ your mind at re-reading the original post and the original questions. I typed it as slow as I could, so you should be able to read it.

I am curious, as an individual, what biblical principles people bring to bear in their thinking on this topic. I even went so far as to explain what specifically sparked my curiosity, and if you combine that with one of my later posts, you'll see that I wonder if owning a ring but not wearing it is hypocrisy. I'm most likely not going to change my view or my practices. But don't we always say in church that if somebody shows us more truth than what we presently know, that we are all for it? Through the church attendance of all these internet participants, I have a form of access, albeit filtered, to bible teachers that I otherwise would not.

I am not hunched over my monitor, trembling with nervous anticipation and drooling on my keyboard, waiting for that one post that will finally change my life. I'm not that shallow, and I'm not that easily influenced.

The appropriate response for somebody with your opinion, to wit, that the topic should not be discussed or inquired after at all, is to ignore this thread. Although in the interests of full disclosure I can't say that I haven't enjoyed interacting with you.
Wow, I love this person.

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Old 07-24-2007, 09:16 AM
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Anyone care to produce the scripture that says a woman must wear a wedding ring to show she is married.
Listen up, friend. You're being a pest. We heard you the first time. If it was in there, plain as day, like you are pretending to be ignorant of, I NEVER WOULD HAVE STARTED THIS THREAD!!!!!

There is more to life than taking single scriptures literally and out of context.
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Old 07-24-2007, 09:22 AM
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Listen up, friend. You're being a pest. We heard you the first time. If it was in there, plain as day, like you are pretending to be ignorant of, I NEVER WOULD HAVE STARTED THIS THREAD!!!!!

There is more to life than taking single scriptures literally and out of context.
Wow, I think I really love this person!

Anyone care to produce the TEACHING that says a woman must wear a wedding ring to show she is married.


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Old 07-24-2007, 09:55 AM
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Wow, I think I really love this person!
You give love a bad name!
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