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10-03-2012, 02:25 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Originally Posted by LooneyLucy
Agreed, and many times that "son" was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and has never been through nothin', thus he cannot even relate to the hurting ones in the pew.
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WOW!!!
Talk about preconceived ideas.....
That is as wrong as wrong could be.
MANY?
Put "A few" in there would be more like the truth.
Growing up in a pastors home is tough.
Always on display, always be examined with a fine toothed comb...
That preachers kids even make it is a miracle with hardness like you exhibit being thrown against them.
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10-03-2012, 02:27 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Originally Posted by Monterrey
WOW!!!
Talk about preconceived ideas.....
That is as wrong as wrong could be.
MANY?
Put "A few" in there would be more like the truth.
Growing up in a pastors home is tough.
Always on display, always be examined with a fine toothed comb...
That preachers kids even make it is a miracle with hardness like you exhibit being thrown against them.
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10-03-2012, 02:28 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Originally Posted by Monterrey
WOW!!!
Talk about preconceived ideas.....
That is as wrong as wrong could be.
MANY?
Put "A few" in there would be more like the truth.
Growing up in a pastors home is tough.
Always on display, always be examined with a fine toothed comb...
That preachers kids even make it is a miracle with hardness like you exhibit being thrown against them.
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I 2nd this
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10-03-2012, 02:33 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Originally Posted by rgcraig
I think one glaring difference is the church shouldn't be a business.
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Not to be argumentative, but the church absolutely is a business. The fact that many don't run it that way is the main reason pastors wind up in financial trouble.
A true business should keep in line with all accounting policies, and major decisions that affect the financial, social, and or spiritual welfare of the church should be discussed among all stakeholders, or in this case, tithe payers.
I do agree that a son or daughter should not be placed in a position of authority just because they are family, but also hold the position that they should not be EXCLUDED because they are family. There are times when the pastor's children shares the pastor's burden more than any outsider, and that son or daughter is absolutely the right person to be in a ministry role.
The Bible is replete with examples of the good and bad of children succeeding parents in ministry roles, so you can't take a broad brush to either position.
My experience has been that when it is right for a sibling to follow a parent into a ministry role, the congregation feels it and supports it.
In that way, it's extremly similar to a business. A business owner wants to put the person in to succeed them who will share the same passion and dedication that started the business in the first place.
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"Many people view their relationship with God like a "color by number" picture. It's easier to let someone else define the boundaries, tell them which blanks to fill in, and what color to use than it is for them to take a blank canvas and seek inspiration from the Source in order to paint their own masterpiece"
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10-03-2012, 02:38 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Originally Posted by Revsidebyside
Discussion can be more focused on destruction than construction.
There are many speculating on a church and minister they do not know.
The family that was on staff at TPC was among many that were on staff. TPC has been blessed with many ministers through the years on staff. Currently he did have 2 son-n-laws on staff and one daughter that was on staff.
There were 2 other secretaries, children's pastor, music director and etc that were not family.
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People forget Bro. Trimble was Asst. for a while - not a family member.
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10-03-2012, 02:40 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Originally Posted by Monterrey
WOW!!!
Talk about preconceived ideas.....
That is as wrong as wrong could be.
MANY?
Put "A few" in there would be more like the truth.
Growing up in a pastors home is tough.
Always on display, always be examined with a fine toothed comb...
That preachers kids even make it is a miracle with hardness like you exhibit being thrown against them.
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There are so very good PK kids.
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Today pull up the little weeds,
The sinful thoughts subdue,
Or they will take the reins themselves
And someday master you. --Anon.
The most deadly sins do not leap upon us, they creep up on us.
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10-03-2012, 02:41 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Not to be argumentative, but the church absolutely is a business. The fact that many don't run it that way is the main reason pastors wind up in financial trouble.
A true business should keep in line with all accounting policies, and major decisions that affect the financial, social, and or spiritual welfare of the church should be discussed among all stakeholders, or in this case, tithe payers.
I do agree that a son or daughter should not be placed in a position of authority just because they are family, but also hold the position that they should not be EXCLUDED because they are family. There are times when the pastor's children shares the pastor's burden more than any outsider, and that son or daughter is absolutely the right person to be in a ministry role.
The Bible is replete with examples of the good and bad of children succeeding parents in ministry roles, so you can't take a broad brush to either position.
My experience has been that when it is right for a sibling to follow a parent into a ministry role, the congregation feels it and supports it.
In that way, it's extremly similar to a business. A business owner wants to put the person in to succeed them who will share the same passion and dedication that started the business in the first place.
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This confirms issues with modern one man ministry vs biblical.
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Today pull up the little weeds,
The sinful thoughts subdue,
Or they will take the reins themselves
And someday master you. --Anon.
The most deadly sins do not leap upon us, they creep up on us.
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10-03-2012, 02:44 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Not to be argumentative, but the church absolutely is a business. The fact that many don't run it that way is the main reason pastors wind up in financial trouble.
A true business should keep in line with all accounting policies, and major decisions that affect the financial, social, and or spiritual welfare of the church should be discussed among all stakeholders, or in this case, tithe payers.
I do agree that a son or daughter should not be placed in a position of authority just because they are family, but also hold the position that they should not be EXCLUDED because they are family. There are times when the pastor's children shares the pastor's burden more than any outsider, and that son or daughter is absolutely the right person to be in a ministry role.
The Bible is replete with examples of the good and bad of children succeeding parents in ministry roles, so you can't take a broad brush to either position.
My experience has been that when it is right for a sibling to follow a parent into a ministry role, the congregation feels it and supports it.
In that way, it's extremly similar to a business. A business owner wants to put the person in to succeed them who will share the same passion and dedication that started the business in the first place.
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I do agree many churches wouldn't have the problems they have if they did run it like you are explaining. Accountability!
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10-03-2012, 02:45 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Originally Posted by Truthseeker
This confirms issues with modern one man ministry vs biblical.
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Explain......what do you feel the Biblical model for a church is?
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10-03-2012, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Not to be argumentative, but the church absolutely is a business. The fact that many don't run it that way is the main reason pastors wind up in financial trouble.
A true business should keep in line with all accounting policies, and major decisions that affect the financial, social, and or spiritual welfare of the church should be discussed among all stakeholders, or in this case, tithe payers.
I do agree that a son or daughter should not be placed in a position of authority just because they are family, but also hold the position that they should not be EXCLUDED because they are family. There are times when the pastor's children shares the pastor's burden more than any outsider, and that son or daughter is absolutely the right person to be in a ministry role.
The Bible is replete with examples of the good and bad of children succeeding parents in ministry roles, so you can't take a broad brush to either position.
My experience has been that when it is right for a sibling to follow a parent into a ministry role, the congregation feels it and supports it.
In that way, it's extremly similar to a business. A business owner wants to put the person in to succeed them who will share the same passion and dedication that started the business in the first place.
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Truth!
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