Burning the Koran

[Walks_in_islam]

The Nazi party started with book burning. In your own church history when the Catholic Church burned Hess' writings (and Hess too as an added bonus) it kicked off the Hessian wars.

The people who are mad are not "frenzied maniacs". The russians (remember the big red storm? LOL) figured out what would happen when the average afghan got mad at them, banded together, and ran them right out of their country.

We spent trillions of dollars protecting ourselves from the russians. Remember how close it was? All of the US, all of Europe, was afraid of a Russian invasion. Yet those Afghan villagers ran them right out of their country when we were afraid to directly face them anywhere.

All they need is something to rally the people around and they will run right over our troops. We are not Russia. We're farther away and our supply chain is thousands of miles longer. I do not want to see what will happen if the average Afghan family man decides that what we are doing is against what he and his family believe and they all turn on us in their streets. They are barely convinced that we are good people anyway. Why give them a reason to believe otherwise?

Our generals know and they are concerned. Their concern I believe is for good reason and I hope to god our alliance does not turn on our people in their streets.

Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

This a FEW (maybe a hundred+?) frenzied Christian maniacs compared to millions of Muslim frenzied maniacs! Also, as far as I know, nobody has been executed or car bombed by this Christian maniac group! Don't expect the same from the Muslims!

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

A resurrection of condemnation for the wicked it is not the same as cold-blooded murder of those who aren't in Christ. I do not rejoice in the fact that those who are lost will be punished.

You may not rejoice in it, but you still follow a religion that endorses it.

What you call "cold-blooded murder of those who aren't in Christ" to them is the same as "A resurrection of condemnation for the wicked".

The difference is that it is your religion, therefore you think you'll be on the victorious side, thus you view it as a condemnation rather than cold-blooded murder.

[Walks_in_islam]

Muslims are (also) waiting for Isa (Jesus Son of Mary) to return and rule the world. So sez the Quran

Originally Posted by Twisp

Well, that is not true entirely. Christians do believe that Christ will come back and punish the unbelievers to eternal damnation, at which point He and Christians will rule the world.

Christians are waiting for Christ to do it, whereas Muslim extremists are trying to do it now.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

The Nazi party started with book burning. In your own church history when the Catholic Church burned Hess' writings (and Hess too as an added bonus) it kicked off the Hessian wars.

Nevertheless, you don't limit legitimate freedoms across the board simply because they are a possible precursor to violence. Many people exercise freedom of speech every day and it never goes any deeper than acting like dolts in public.

I don't believe we should take preemptive action against American citizens. Being able to express negative and even offensive opinions without real repercussion is one of the things that makes our country unique. I'd like to retain that value even when I'm disgusted as some of the opinions that are expressed.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Muslims are (also) waiting for Isa (Jesus Son of Mary) to return and rule the world. So sez the Quran

What else "sez" the Quran?

5:51: “O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends, they are but friends to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as friends, then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the wrong doers.”

9:29: “Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not Islam as the religion of truth among the people of the Scripture, until they pay the Jizyah [religious tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”

What "sez" the Bible?

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28

"Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all." Colossians 3:11

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by coadie

You seem very intolerant. But you can't explain how Obama was tight with Bill Ayers who actually with his wife did kill cops and bomb places. The Weathermen were terrorists for real. Of course they are leftists so they get a pass. Bill Ayers is now a Muslim. You have different standards for the actual terrorists.

Bro... lol... I condemn that too. lol

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Yes, some Muslim extremists will probably retaliate when this happens, just as some extremists of the Christian faith have retaliated against the cultural center being built.

Retaliated with violence? What Christians have retaliated in that way? Did I miss a news bulletin?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by coadie

By MARGERY A. BECK
Associated Press
OMAHA — A judge's final ruling overturning Nebraska's flag-desecration law includes an order for the state to pay part of the $8,000 in attorney fees to the Kansas church member who filed the lawsuit — a bill that will be footed by state taxpayers.
The order issued Thursday by U.S. District Judge Richard Kopf names several prosecutors and law enforcement officials involved in the case as responsible parties. Nebraska Attorney General Jon Bruning and Nebraska State Patrol Commander Bryan Tuma are responsible for $3,500, which will come from state funds.

Members of the Topeka-based Westboro Baptist Church travel around the country to protest at military funerals because they believe U.S. troop deaths are punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality. Church members often trample on the U.S. flag, wear it and display it upside-down as part of their protests.

"Anytime we have to pay people as repulsive as the people of Westboro it's painful, but state statutes allow for the collection of attorney's fees," Bruning said Friday.

Phelps is a fine Liberal and Democrat.
Aquila and Twisp are in his party.

Goadie, I'm personally rather conservative. This isn't about conservative or liberal. Like I said, to you, it's just a "debate". I was in the military and have friends currently in the danger zone. I don't want hightened tensions. I know their wives and kids. People might die over what this pastor is doing. And you'd rather score political points and the pastor just wants publicity. Pathetic.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

This a FEW (maybe a hundred+?) frenzied Christian maniacs compared to millions of Muslim frenzied maniacs! Also, as far as I know, nobody has been executed or car bombed by this Christian maniac group! Don't expect the same from the Muslims!

So why inflame their frenzy unnecessarily? This man is an idiot, and so are those who are standing behind him.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esther

Islam is upset that one group wants to burn their koran while they have used our Bibles for toliet paper!

I guess that makes insulting and inflaming tensions right?

How did Jesus say that we are to react to our enemies and those who persecute us? To be a "Christian" means that one follows Christ. Loving one's enemies and praying and blessing those that persecute us is a commandment. To do what this pastor is doing and support such action is "sin". Those on this pastor's side have left their faith behind for their politics and nationalism. They've essentially departed from Christianity.