It's Time To Get Over It

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Chan

Yes, I did ask.

Yes, and the Corinthian church had a member that was sleeping with his step mother and that church didn't do anything about it until Paul told them to put that man out of the church for a time. He later told them to forgive him and receive him back into the church after he repented. Who do you think you are to say that the perpetrator in your scenario was not brought to justice? God's justice is perfect justice and the perpetrator will be held accountable (if he never repented of his sin, he will be spending eternity in the lake of fire). Where were the parents of these children? Why didn't they do something after the church (according to you) swept it under the rug? (It's conspicuous that you're only relating one side of the story). Then, of course, there's that whole command from Jesus to forgive thing that so many seem to think doesn't apply to Christians in the 21st century. That's no excuse for entering into rebellion against God by refusing to be part of a local church.

Excuse me? Since when do saints need permission from their pastor to attend a funeral? Not an acceptable excuse to miss church? Well, there are different ways of looking at it. After all, Jesus told the man who wanted to wait until his father died before following Jesus "let the dead bury the dead." It sounds to me like that church isn't a church but, instead, a cult! That's no excuse for entering into rebellion against God by refusing to be part of a local church.

They will give account to God. That's no excuse for entering into rebellion against God by refusing to be part of a local church.

So, the preacher is a false prophet and should have been dealt with accordingly. That's no excuse for entering into rebellion against God by refusing to be part of a local church.

That's no excuse for entering into rebellion against God by refusing to be part of a local church.

Why is it the pastor's job to do something about it? Why doesn't the wife do something? Like, say, call the police!

Yes, I would tell them to "Get over it!" Of course, I would preface that with Jesus' command to forgive as He forgave them and tell them that as long as they keep holding onto the hurt they are only hurting themselves and building up a root of bitterness; but, yes, I would tell them to get over it.

Chan....

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Chan

Yes, I did ask.

Yes, and the Corinthian church had a member that was sleeping with his step mother and that church didn't do anything about it until Paul told them to put that man out of the church for a time. He later told them to forgive him and receive him back into the church after he repented. Who do you think you are to say that the perpetrator in your scenario was not brought to justice? God's justice is perfect justice and the perpetrator will be held accountable (if he never repented of his sin, he will be spending eternity in the lake of fire). Where were the parents of these children? Why didn't they do something after the church (according to you) swept it under the rug? (It's conspicuous that you're only relating one side of the story). Then, of course, there's that whole command from Jesus to forgive thing that so many seem to think doesn't apply to Christians in the 21st century. That's no excuse for entering into rebellion against God by refusing to be part of a local church.

Excuse me? Since when do saints need permission from their pastor to attend a funeral? Not an acceptable excuse to miss church? Well, there are different ways of looking at it. After all, Jesus told the man who wanted to wait until his father died before following Jesus "let the dead bury the dead." It sounds to me like that church isn't a church but, instead, a cult! That's no excuse for entering into rebellion against God by refusing to be part of a local church.

They will give account to God. That's no excuse for entering into rebellion against God by refusing to be part of a local church.

So, the preacher is a false prophet and should have been dealt with accordingly. That's no excuse for entering into rebellion against God by refusing to be part of a local church.

That's no excuse for entering into rebellion against God by refusing to be part of a local church.

Why is it the pastor's job to do something about it? Why doesn't the wife do something? Like, say, call the police!

Yes, I would tell them to "Get over it!" Of course, I would preface that with Jesus' command to forgive as He forgave them and tell them that as long as they keep holding onto the hurt they are only hurting themselves and building up a root of bitterness; but, yes, I would tell them to get over it.

These things may not be a reason to not be a part of A local church, but it is sure a reason NOT to be a part of THAT local church. I hope that is what you are saying.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I had a clerk offend at the grocery store so I quit going to all grocery stores all the clerks only care about money and not my feelings.
Since I could not go to the grocery store because I was so hurt I started eating in resturants then one day a waitress hurt me I was so wounded I could never go back into another resturant.
So I started ordering pizzas then one night the delivery man was late and my pizza was cold he did not care for me so I was hurt and will never order a pizza again.
So because I could not eat I became sick and went to the hospital a nurse stuck me with a needle and told me to lie still she was a dictator I was hurt so I went home and I said NEVER will I go to a hospital they don't love me there and besides they had the nerve to send me a bill.
Finally I died I don't know if the undertaker loves me or not but he will put on me what he wants me to wear, put me in the room he chooses, have the service at his convience, then bury me without shedding a tear. At least he didn't hurt me.

Hey, Bro, you did an excellent job of creating and defining a huge strawman, I guess because some folks are self-centered victims, that means no one is really ever really abused. Oh, now I see the smilies, you are j/k.

Originally Posted by crakjak

These things may not be a reason to not be a part of A local church, but it is sure a reason NOT to be a part of THAT local church. I hope that is what you are saying.

Yes, I did say a local church intentionally. Of course, what so many here are leaving out is that we Christians don't have a say in the matter: we are to go where GOD commands us to go and to do otherwise is to commit rebellion and treason against Him. It is so typical of the worldly thinking in so much of the Church today that we think that Christianity is somehow a democracy and that we are somehow sovereign over these lives God has allowed us to live.

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

You can't be serious and if you are-
I disagree with you and think this example is the greatest reason men need to be accountable.

Yes, I am serious. There is NO EXCUSE for rebelling against God by refusing to be part of a local church (not necessarily the particular church where the person was supposedly hurt but definitely a local church).

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Chan....

Thanks Rhoni, crakjak, and others who have shown there is, in fact, some decency and compassion on the forum. As for the rest, I starting typing a reply, but stopped. It would have served no purpose whatsoever.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Thanks Rhoni, crakjak, and others who have shown there is, in fact, some decency and compassion on the forum. As for the rest, I starting typing a reply, but stopped. It would have served no purpose whatsoever.

Timmy,

Just hold on to Jesus, do what you know is right to do, and overlook the ignorance of others.

Blessings, Rhoni

[tbpew]

Chan's previous post contained a very familiar admonition;
They will give account to God. That's no excuse for entering into rebellion against God by refusing to be part of a local church.

So, the preacher is a false prophet and should have been dealt with accordingly. That's no excuse for entering into rebellion against God by refusing to be part of a local church.

This position is established on a FALSE PREMISE; the premise that the asemblying together of the saints is predicated on some identity called a "local church". There is no such thing as a local church. There is only one church; this ONE church has God as its builder and maker.

Letters were directed to the Saints who live in Rome, Galatia, Ephesis, Corinth, etc. But there was no local church there, there was only a basic geography that was shared by a diversity of individual members, having a common faith in an invisible God and pertaining to the singular body of that God's Christ.

The idea of local churches spawns the idea that there should be local heads, local rulers, local masters. There were seven letters written to saints assemblying in the area of Philadelphia, Thyatira, Ephesus, etc..., but God does NOT have seven bodies, seven New Jerusalems, seven Christs.

One church reveals one body.
One body reveals one head.
One head reveals one master.

One master denies any occassion for striving, rivalries, envies, and contention among men seeking to make disciples unto themselves.

Men love to create seperations that validate or legitimize some specialty thought or function. The body of Christ is ONE body with an immeasurable diversity of thought and functionality from its creator and manifested through the bondservants who are member-vessels.

The scriptural admonition is to NOT FORSAKE assemblying together. AMEN! Don't ever forsake this! Creating this idea called "a local church" inherently forsakes this admonition to assembly by creating impediments/obstructions to the limitless connections between and amoung members of the Body of Christ. If I assembly with 20, 60, or even 500 is it OK to NOT ASSEMBLE with the a whole multitude of giftings and servants that don't happen to meet in your building, on your schedule.

Hey I do understand that without an artifical new identity created, good 'ol man will lack a platform upon which to establish a pre-eminent seat. Imagine that, saints will have to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling within the witness and presence of the Spirit that dwells within them. Certainly it is prudent to acknowledge the admonition to NOT FORSAKE ASSEMBLING. By assembling each person has access to establish connections through which each member can be blessed and edified by the diverse giftings/ministries the "church builder" has provided for his ONE church.

All this debate... and the very essence of what it means to "be a part of a local church" has been completely missed.

If you are born again, you ARE ALREADY A PART of the CHURCH IN YOR LOCALITY, assuming there is at least one other born again believer in that locality, and assuming you were not officially "put out of" [excommunicated from] the church in that locality.

Too many people confuse attendance at a weekly lecture with church membership.

Originally Posted by Eliseus

All this debate... and the very essence of what it means to "be a part of a local church" has been completely missed.

If you are born again, you ARE ALREADY A PART of the CHURCH IN YOR LOCALITY, assuming there is at least one other born again believer in that locality, and assuming you were not officially "put out of" [excommunicated from] the church in that locality.

Too many people confuse attendance at a weekly lecture with church membership.

The issue here revolves around the command in scripture to no forsake the assembling of yourselves together.