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[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

PREACHER-HATER

PREACHER (prē'chər)

Preacher (One who preaches, especially one who publicly proclaims the gospel for an occupation.)



HATE (hāt)

v., hat·ed, hat·ing, hates.

A person that hates (1. feels hostility or animosity toward 2. To feel dislike or distaste for)

Preacher-Hater One who feels hostility, animosity, feels dislike or distastes toward one who preaches, especially one who publicly proclaims the gospel for an occupation.

This is very relevant to the subject honestly this is the subject. The hatred toward the ministry seethes on this thread. I saw a bumper sticker years ago that read "speed on brother Hell ain't half full." The ministry will NEVER be able to set up a road block that will stop self-decieved people determined to destroy themselves and their families and any poor deluted simple soul that they may influence.

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by nathan_slatter

Sometimes Jesus comes with a bunch of unnecessary baggage. From preemptive ideologies to complete misunderstanding to complete misinterpretation. Jesus, often, comes with baggage. The idea is to drop all of the baggage realizing that it is our own, given to us by everyone that has influenced our spirituality. In the end, following Jesus is a personal quest -- one that can, and should be, traveled among a crowd but, many times, even within the crowd, the quest can be lonely.

Keep seeking Jesus, you'll find him. He said so.

Thanks Nate

It's no surprise that I agree with you, since we share the same brain

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Michelle--I'll be praying for you. I think you're on a search for truth, and you will find it if you listen to God and God alone. That doesn't mean you don't need a good church, because I am a big church advocate - you know that. God will lead you to the right house and you will once again be in fellowship, with the people where He leads you.

If God leads you back to a UPC church, by all means, run to it and don't look back. But if He leads you elsewhere, listen to His voice and not the voice of men. God is your ultimate authority, but I do believe you need the voice of a shepherd in your life too.

I always appreciate all the prayers I can get!

I am still currently attending a UPC church, though I have repeatedly been informed that my twice a month is not good enough

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

PREACHER-HATER

PREACHER (prē'chər)

Preacher (One who preaches, especially one who publicly proclaims the gospel for an occupation.)



HATE (hāt)

v., hat·ed, hat·ing, hates.

A person that hates (1. feels hostility or animosity toward 2. To feel dislike or distaste for)

Preacher-Hater One who feels hostility, animosity, feels dislike or distastes toward one who preaches, especially one who publicly proclaims the gospel for an occupation.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

This is very relevant to the subject honestly this is the subject. The hatred toward the ministry seethes on this thread. I saw a bumper sticker years ago that read "speed on brother Hell ain't half full." The ministry will NEVER be able to set up a road block that will stop self-decieved people determined to destroy themselves and their families and any poor deluted simple soul that they may influence.

I don't think you guys are listening when I repeatedly say this...but I don't hate the ministry! I just don't worship them!

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Michlow

I don't think you guys are listening when I repeatedly say this...but I don't hate the ministry! I just don't worship them!

Didn't you know it's either or?

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by Rico

Didn't you know it's either or?

What I am starting to think is that I type real actual words and that what people see is "wah wa wah wahwa wah wa wah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah"

[originalsecretplace]

Originally Posted by Michlow

What I am starting to think is that I type real actual words and that what people see is "wah wa wah wahwa wah wa wah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah"

Unfortunately it seems that way.

If you disagree with the concepts:

1. if you don't have a preacher to rule over your life you will go to hell
2. if you don't obey everything you are told by a preacher whether or not it's backed up by scripture you will go to hell.
3. if you don't go to service every time the door is open you will go to hell.
etc

then you are labelled as a preacher hater. Some have said that they don't want blind obedience yet they want obedience to what they say regardless.

But it's ok for preachers to hate saints who have beards (male), saints who wear pants (female), saints who .... whatever the rule of the day?

I believe that the 5-fold ministry is for the maturing of the saints, etc. But preacher isn't in the 5-fold ministry.

There are some:
Apostles
Prophets
Pastors
Evangelists
Teachers

Now if you notice it's ALL those that worked TOGETHER to mature the saint -- not just one -- the preacher.


The scripture used over and over again here Rom 10 is used out of context to what is being discussed. Paul was speaking of Israel and the fact that they had heard the Gospel through preaching. This does not mean that if you are not ruled by a preacher that you are lost because you will have no faith. This is the initial hearing of the Gospel.

[Old Paths]

It is absolutely amazing the tripe that is set forth as Biblical around here.

[originalsecretplace]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

It is absolutely amazing the tripe that is set forth as Biblical around here.

You are right.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by originalsecretplace

Unfortunately it seems that way.

If you disagree with the concepts:

1. if you don't have a preacher to rule over your life you will go to hell
2. if you don't obey everything you are told by a preacher whether or not it's backed up by scripture you will go to hell.
3. if you don't go to service every time the door is open you will go to hell.
etc

then you are labelled as a preacher hater. Some have said that they don't want blind obedience yet they want obedience to what they say regardless.

But it's ok for preachers to hate saints who have beards (male), saints who wear pants (female), saints who .... whatever the rule of the day?

I believe that the 5-fold ministry is for the maturing of the saints, etc. But preacher isn't in the 5-fold ministry.

There are some:
Apostles
Prophets
Pastors
Evangelists
Teachers

Now if you notice it's ALL those that worked TOGETHER to mature the saint -- not just one -- the preacher.


The scripture used over and over again here Rom 10 is used out of context to what is being discussed. Paul was speaking of Israel and the fact that they had heard the Gospel through preaching. This does not mean that if you are not ruled by a preacher that you are lost because you will have no faith. This is the initial hearing of the Gospel.

Hits the nail on the head!