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Old 09-10-2009, 02:39 PM
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I thought you right wingers wanted tort reform? Sounded to me like the President offered it last night. I thought you right wingers wanted insurance exchanges to help give small businesses more competitive leverage in the market place? The President offered it last night. I thought after the past 10 years of constant spending you were suddenly worried about budget neutrality and not driving up a billion dollar deficit over 10 years? The President emphatically said he wouldn't sign a bill that raised the deficit a single dime.

It sounds like he's listening to me. The actuality of it is the Repub's want to write the bill and get everything they want even though the Dem's won a mandate in the last election. Elections have consequences Ferd. Surely you don't think the Republicans should write the bill and get everything they want signed by a Democratic President and Congress.

There is a large element of your party that has tried harder to kill healthcare reform just for political games than there is people who are willing to sit at the table and work it out. Your party has spent the past 2 months spreading lies and disinformation. That's not furthering the cause of healthcare reform Ferd.

your ability to sound truthful does not mean you are being truthful.
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Old 09-10-2009, 02:45 PM
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your ability to sound truthful does not mean you are being truthful.
If you think any of that is untruthful then rewind the tape and watch the speech again buddy.
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Old 09-10-2009, 02:55 PM
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If you think any of that is untruthful then rewind the tape and watch the speech again buddy.
not needed. I didnt say that he didnt say it.

You said the republicans didnt want reform.

I didnt lie.

lets let the readers figure out who did.
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Old 09-10-2009, 03:56 PM
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not needed. I didnt say that he didnt say it.

You said the republicans didnt want reform.

I didnt lie.

lets let the readers figure out who did.

Ferd you would think the Republicans would have been smart enough wait until the Presidents speech was finished before they wrote their response. Evidently they aren't that smart. The Dr. looked stupid.
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Old 09-10-2009, 04:59 PM
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Ferd you would think the Republicans would have been smart enough wait until the Presidents speech was finished before they wrote their response. Evidently they aren't that smart. The Dr. looked stupid.
Light, as a general rule I dont watch these speaches nor the responses to them.

I didnt watch them when GWB gave them I dont now.

generally the truth is found AFTER the speech when the words are disceted.

I beleive this is the case with what was seen last night. In fact the days to come will really tell the tell.

Obama made some pladitudes. But we have yet to see a bill. trying to convince the convinced that reform is needed is a waste of breath.

what is yet to be seen is will the dems in congress actually follow thru with what the president stated in those areas of common ground?


and the fact is Obama still lied about not hearing from Republicans. so there you go.

lets see where this washes out.
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This needs to be repeated again. So...

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In a Canadian National Population Health Survey of 17,276 Canadian residents, it was reported that only 0.5% sought medical care in the U.S. in the previous year. Of these, less than a quarter had traveled to the U.S. expressly to get that care.

A 2002 study by Katz, Cardiff, et al, reported the number of Canadians using U.S. services to be "barely detectible relative to the use of care by Canadians at home" and that the results "do not support the widespread perception that Canadian residents seek care extensively in the United States."
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Old 09-10-2009, 08:25 PM
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Didn't you say a while back that you had taken a job at the local Starbucks in order to get the health insurance that your pastorate doesn't provide?

Come to Canada - you can tell Starbucks good-bye.
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Old 09-10-2009, 08:31 PM
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Got a friend who right now is suffering with cancer and emphysema. Multiple specialists, multiple tests, the very best of care - covered courtesy of the Canadian healthcare system.

And now a philosophical question for those who don't want to be burdened by the care of anybody less fortunate. What do you do with the following verse?
Matt 25:35-40

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
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Old 09-10-2009, 09:56 PM
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silly statement.

Nobody suggested otherwise. All I said was that the fire department is not run by the federal government.
Obama's plan will not be "run" by the federal government either. Essentially he's contracting a national health plan with private providers... it's run by private entities... it's largely funded by the Federal government.
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Old 09-10-2009, 09:58 PM
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misdirection or out right lie. I dont know which. but both of these statements are false.

no one is advocating keeping the same system. NO ONE.
You want the same system. You're only suggesting "tweaks" to make it more palatable. How many more have to die before you realize the right was wrong on this one?
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