Of course, there are differences, Sister, and I never said there weren't. I was merely trying to point out where the study of pharmacology came from. It was others who took it to mean that I was saying they were into witchcraft. I never once said they were.
That second link there makes for some interesting reading.
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I still don't know why the translators decided to use witchcraft in that passage. I struggled for a long time with that scripture because of it, but I don't worry about it anymore. If I have a headache I take some Excedrin and don't think twice about it. I had a lung infection two winters back that caused me to go to the emergency room. They gave me some anti-biotics for it and it cleared the infection right up in about a week. I'm not against medicine, but I am not foolish enough to think the study of medicines came from anywhere than where it did, which is medicine men and witch doctors.
Ezekiel 47:12 "And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine."
terûphâh
ter-oo-faw'
From H7322 in the sense of its congener H7495; a remedy: - medicine.
Jeremiah 8:22 "Is there no balm in Gilead; is there no physician there? why then is not the health of the daughter of my people recovered?"
"physician"
rapha, raphah
properly to mend (by stitching), that is, (figuratively) to cure: - cure, (cause to) heal, physician, repair, X thoroughly, make whole.
Exodus 22:18 "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."
witch -
kâshaph
kaw-shaf'
A primitive root; properly to whisper a spell, that is, to inchant or practise magic: - sorcerer, (use) witch (-craft).
If a physician is no different than a "witch" or practictioner of witchcraft, e.g, pharmacist, then why does the Bible allow for physicians (Luke, the beloved physician), but NOT for witches?
I would venture that the Bible does differentiate between legitimate, helpful, curative medicine, and the practicing of witchcraft, involving potions, spells, and the spirit world.
Both involve medicines, but one involves the spirit world and nefarious motives, the other does not.
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That second link there makes for some interesting reading.
Jeremiah 8:22 "Is there no balm in Gilead; is there no physician there? why then is not the health of the daughter of my people recovered?"
"physician"
rapha, raphah
properly to mend (by stitching), that is, (figuratively) to cure: - cure, (cause to) heal, physician, repair, X thoroughly, make whole.
Exodus 22:18 "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."
witch -
kâshaph
kaw-shaf'
A primitive root; properly to whisper a spell, that is, to inchant or practise magic: - sorcerer, (use) witch (-craft).
If a physician is no different than a "witch" or practictioner of witchcraft, e.g, pharmacist, then why does the Bible allow for physicians (Luke, the beloved physician), but NOT for witches?
I would venture that the Bible does differentiate between legitimate, helpful, curative medicine, and the practicing of witchcraft, involving potions, spells, and the spirit world.
Both involve medicines, but one involves the spirit world and nefarious motives, the other does not.
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That second link there makes for some interesting reading.
Ezekiel 47:12 "And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine."
terûphâh
ter-oo-faw'
From H7322 in the sense of its congener H7495; a remedy: - medicine.
Jeremiah 8:22 "Is there no balm in Gilead; is there no physician there? why then is not the health of the daughter of my people recovered?"
"physician"
rapha, raphah
properly to mend (by stitching), that is, (figuratively) to cure: - cure, (cause to) heal, physician, repair, X thoroughly, make whole.
Exodus 22:18 "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."
witch -
kâshaph
kaw-shaf'
A primitive root; properly to whisper a spell, that is, to inchant or practise magic: - sorcerer, (use) witch (-craft).
If a physician is no different than a "witch" or practictioner of witchcraft, e.g, pharmacist, then why does the Bible allow for physicians (Luke, the beloved physician), but NOT for witches?
I would venture that the Bible does differentiate between legitimate, helpful, curative medicine, and the practicing of witchcraft, involving potions, spells, and the spirit world.
Both involve medicines, but one involves the spirit world and nefarious motives, the other does not.
Sister, don'tcha think I've already been to Wikipedia at least once today? I can't help it if these guys thought I was saying they were into witchcraft, when I never said that. They're the ones who jumped to conclusions, not me. Still, the fact remains that pharmacology has its roots in potions, concoctions, or whatever one wants to call it. I can't help it that some of those concoctions and potions just so happened to work, now can I? I will, however, take a look at your second link. Happy now?
Sister, don'tcha think I've already been to Wikipedia at least once today? I can't help it if these guys thought I was saying they were into witchcraft, when I never said that. They're the ones who jumped to conclusions, not me. Still, the fact remains that pharmacology has its roots in potions, concoctions, or whatever one wants to call it. I can't help it that some of those concoctions and potions just so happened to work, now can I? I will, however, take a look at your second link. Happy now?
I think you are not letting go of what you need to let go... lol you just wont admit you were being to judgmental.
There are no roots, even in the Bible they are completely different fields.
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Sister, don'tcha think I've already been to Wikipedia at least once today? I can't help it if these guys thought I was saying they were into witchcraft, when I never said that. They're the ones who jumped to conclusions, not me. Still, the fact remains that pharmacology has its roots in potions, concoctions, or whatever one wants to call it. I can't help it that some of those concoctions and potions just so happened to work, now can I? I will, however, take a look at your second link. Happy now?
The second link is just interesting--it isn't meant to persuade you to any point.
I think the part that is being missed is that what the Bible referred to as pharmaceuticals (witchcraft) is not the equivalent of today's medicine, even though the same name is used. Therefore today's medicine resource is a pharmacy, but is a source of medicine, not spells, incantations and concoctions. Ergo, today's pharmacy did not evolve from medicine men and witches, it came from legitimate medicine and doctors such as Luke, and possibly from the Word of God itself, as illustrated in Ezekiel, which clearly recommends the use of vegetation for medicine.
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To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
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The second link is just interesting--it isn't meant to persuade you to any point.
I think the part that is being missed is that what the Bible referred to as pharmaceuticals (witchcraft) is not the equivalent of today's medicine, even though the same name is used. Therefore today's medicine resource is a pharmacy, but is not a source of medicine, not spells, incantations and concoctions. Ergo, today's pharmacy did not evolve from medicine men and witches, it came from legitimate medicine and doctors such as Luke, and possibly from the Word of God itself, as illustrated in Ezekiel.
The use of the word "pharmacy" is a misnomer, and cannot be applied in the same way.
You can not, however, discount the connection between the two, even though we have long since ceased from the incantations and spells. We are still brewing up concoctions, but we do it in a laboratory using chemicals, instead of plants. In other words, we've kept the mean and chucked out the fat and the bones.
You can not, however, discount the connection between the two, even though we have long since ceased from the incantations and spells. We are still brewing up concoctions, but we do it in a laboratory using chemicals, instead of plants.
You are missing the point still...
They were two fields, the current field evolved from a whole different field then witchery.
It is clear that you are mixing up two different fields in the Bible.
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Nuebill, are you denying that there is a connection between modern day pharmacology and ancient practices of concocting potions and whatnot to heal people?
In a word, yes.
The ancient practice of concocting potions and what-not to heal people did not use Algebra and Calculus to account for body weight and metabolic processes in their determination of dosage amounts. Modern pharmacology does.
The ancient practice of concocting potions and what-not to heal people did not produce new medications by modifying existing formulations at the molecular and/or empirical formula level. This is at the core of modern pharmacology.
Is there common ground? Yes.
Is there a connection between the two? Not in the way inferred by the author of this thread.
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Let's leave all the hocus pocus stuff out of it, for the sake of peace.
I should point out that, for the sake of peace, I asked the thread starter to clarify his comments, with none forthcoming.
Thank you, Bro. Rico, for desiring the path of peace. This is what I strove for in the face of my profession being referred to 'by extension,' magic and sorcery.
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The ancient practice of concocting potions and what-not to heal people did not use Algebra and Calculus to account for body weight and metabolic processes in their determination of dosage amounts. Modern pharmacology does.
The ancient practice of concocting potions and what-not to heal people did not produce new medications by modifying existing formulations at the molecular and/or empirical formula level. This is at the core of modern pharmacology.
Is there common ground? Yes.
Is there a connection between the two? Not in the way inferred by the author of this thread.
I should point out that, for the sake of peace, I asked the thread starter to clarify his comments, with none forthcoming.
Thank you, Bro. Rico, for desiring the path of peace. This is what I strove for in the face of my profession being referred to 'by extension,' magic and sorcery.
Brother, I don't think he's been on to answer your posts. Give him time to see what he says after he reads the posts. BTW, I didn't mean to make you guys look like you were into witchcraft. That wasn't my intention. I don't know what his was, but it wasn't mine. I was just trying to point out there was a connection between the study of medicines and witchcraft. Maybe that was what Paul was trying to warn us about in Galations. You know, don't mix the two kind of thing.
You can not, however, discount the connection between the two, even though we have long since ceased from the incantations and spells. We are still brewing up concoctions, but we do it in a laboratory using chemicals, instead of plants. In other words, we've kept the mean and chucked out the fat and the bones.
I can discount it, if the verse from Ezekiel is any clue. It seems to me that if the Word of God recommends the use of a plant (or leaf) for medicinal purposes, that (a) it cannot be called witchcraft, and (b) it is more likely that heathen nations took a godly recommendation and perverted it, as they did many other things.
Remember, the children of Israel also made sacrifices to God, and the heathen nations made sacrifices to their gods, but one was holy, the other unholy. And there is no connection between the two, other than the same means to an end.
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"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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