Bro…this world doesn’t define words. They will always have the same meaning regardless of what society embraces.
That is absolute rubbish. Yes this world DOES define words. Remember "gay"? Used to mean happy...not it means a homosexual by MOST people today. Ever year the word f@g? Used to refer to matches or logs for fire but now it refers to gays...come on, you aren't that naive to believe what you just told me about defining words? Cultures change and in the changing there often HAS to be a redefinition of words. Marriage refers to a MAN and a WOMAN but now it refers also to two men.
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Again…nobody is willing to talk word one about unholy straight marriages where two divorcees are married who had divorced for reasons other than adultery. Those “marriages” are still eternally “adultery”. I know some are soft on it saying, “Well now…God forgives.” Yes, God forgives…but they will still answer for adultery and the Church was NEVER granted permission to recognize such adulterous relationships.
OMG...you did it again. Talk about red herrings. We HAVE talked a LOT about divorce and remarriage. Where were you? We CAN talk about it too. This is totally insane of you. The topic HERE is gay marriages. But start another topic and we will do it. We will be there.
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They also were not allowed to marry whoever they wanted…especially if that person was white.
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The issue is does Government have the right to tell two private citizens of legal age they cannot marry?
Nope. Because EVERYONE already has the right to enter into a Marriage contract. Unless you redefine what Marriage is which it seems that is what you want to do along with the gay agenda. Gays already have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex like everyone else does.
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Bro…marriage is a private contract…the state shouldn’t have a single say in it. The state doesn’t own marriage. Although that’s what we’ve been taught to believe.
Then please tell me what difference it makes to ANYONE if we pass a law that says no gay marriage. They can go down to their gay priest right now and "get married" and enter into a private contract. You see the problem you fail to realize is that these marriages are NOT private. They are public and on record with the state.
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If a state performs wickedness, I believe that state will be judged by God. If the state places the choice in the hands of individuals…the individuals who choose such a thing will be judged by God.
Trying desperately to cut through all the unnecessary verbage I assume the answer was Yes to my question? Do I have that right?
Now...see here is the easy part. Many Christians might feel, and you are welcome to disagree obviously but that part is irrelevant, that by allowing gay marriages and allowing the gay agenda to be pushed on the public through the school systems will in fact bring the judgment of God especially when they could have done something about it but did nothing. Now sure you might disagree such an action would warrant the judgment of God but a lot of Christians feel otherwise. They see that judgment as only PART of a growing threat on our society and the church (see TheLaymans post)
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I don’t advocate doing NOTHING. I advocate preaching the gospel and teaching the Bible. Politics is a distraction. Christians turned Rome upside down…and they didn’t do it through politics. They did it through PREACHING. .
EVERYTHING is or can be a distraction...and politics seems to be a particular favorite of yours judging from your posts. But there is no reason to assume that just because someone votes or is politically active that they will be distracting from preaching the gospel. And BTW We ARE preaching and teaching the bible. That is all irrelevant though to the points being made.
lastly....Christians turned Rome upside down eh? Rome FELL last time I checked. They were seeped in Immorality and political corruption. They were a nation of laws like us, but the Christians didn't have the same opportunity we do. And mind you it was that same Rome that put the Arians and Modalists to flight and codified Trinitarianism and created a vehicle ala the RCC to spread it everywhere.
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Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Interesting how much time and effort some people put into preventing others from sinning (in their view). Why is that? Do they think those poor misguided people might make it to heaven, if we can only make them stop their sinful ways?
Do they also want laws passed against the ultimate sin -- rejecting Jesus?
Seriously. I don't get it.
Are you serious? If that were the case the ban would have been on sodomy. The ban would have been on any and ALL homosexual activity. It was NOT about legislating sin. You really don't have a clue Timmy what the issue is or was about
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That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Prax, the point is that a preacher doesn't have to specifically name any sin in order to preach against sin. We're stuck in that mindset that says the preacher has to tell me what's wrong in my life. The preacher doesn't have to spell out what is sin for God to be able to convict someone of their sin. A preacher can preach a generalized message on sinning against God, and God can then do the convicting. No one is talking about not preaching the Gospel. The Gospel is the death, burial, and ressurection of Jesus, not the preacher telling you what specific areas you are falling short on.
A preacher does not have to specifically tell YOU what is wrong with your life but at the same time to expect a preacher to never teach a congregation or someone that wants to get right with God what sin is or is not is irresponsible IMO.
BTW this is off topic but I am reminded of it anyways since earlier the discussion of definition came up....
Many kids today are freely giving oral sex to their boy friends or girl friends. To them it is like a goodnight kiss and many rationalize that they are not having sex by doing so.
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Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
A preacher does not have to specifically tell YOU what is wrong with your life but at the same time to expect a preacher to never teach a congregation or someone that wants to get right with God what sin is or is not is irresponsible IMO.
BTW this is off topic but I am reminded of it anyways since earlier the discussion of definition came up....
Many kids today are freely giving oral sex to their boy friends or girl friends. To them it is like a goodnight kiss and many rationalize that they are not having sex by doing so.
Prax, let's keep things within the context in which they were presented, shall we? I did not say that I expect a preacher to NEVER specifically mention any sin. What I did say is that a law being passed against preaching against homosexuality would not affect God's ability to convict someone of that sin just because a preacher is prohibited from specifically preaching against it. Because of this, I don't see any reason for people to get in an uproar over things that are going on in the world. God will always have a way to get His message across, Bro. He is not bound by any law passed by man.
Are you serious? If that were the case the ban would have been on sodomy. The ban would have been on any and ALL homosexual activity. It was NOT about legislating sin. You really don't have a clue Timmy what the issue is or was about
Oh, and I suppose they wouldn't outlaw sodomy, as well, if they could? Hey, the more control they have over people's private lives, the happier they are.
So. Exactly what horrible thing would happen if gays were to marry? What is this mysterious "attack" on the family I keep hearing about? How would allowing gays to marry each other and legally recognizing those marriages affect you or me? How does prohibiting it make the world a better place? Oh, it changes the definition of marriage!GASP! How horrible!
Actually, I think I do have a clue what this is about. This is about control. Power. Punishment. It's about showing those evil subhumans who's boss, in this society.
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Prax, let's keep things within the context in which they were presented, shall we? I did not say that I expect a preacher to NEVER specifically mention any sin. What I did say is that a law being passed against preaching against homosexuality would not affect God's ability to convict someone of that sin just because a preacher is prohibited from specifically preaching against it. Because of this, I don't see any reason for people to get in an uproar over things that are going on in the world. God will always have a way to get His message across, Bro. He is not bound by any law passed by man.
Rico, some people don't think God can do a good enough job of convicting of sin. Actually, He may not agree with some of "His people" on what things are sin and what things aren't! Imagine that!
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Prax, let's keep things within the context in which they were presented, shall we? I did not say that I expect a preacher to NEVER specifically mention any sin. What I did say is that a law being passed against preaching against homosexuality would not affect God's ability to convict someone of that sin just because a preacher is prohibited from specifically preaching against it. Because of this, I don't see any reason for people to get in an uproar over things that are going on in the world. God will always have a way to get His message across, Bro. He is not bound by any law passed by man.
ok..I disagree though that we should not be concerned about our ability to preach against homosexuality by law because at some point it will affect us in our views when we speak them. I think you will probably agree with that
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Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Oh, and I suppose they wouldn't outlaw sodomy, as well, if they could? Hey, the more control they have over people's private lives, the happier they are.
So. Exactly what horrible thing would happen if gays were to marry? What is this mysterious "attack" on the family I keep hearing about? How would allowing gays to marry each other and legally recognizing those marriages affect you or me? How does prohibiting it make the world a better place? Oh, it changes the definition of marriage!GASP! How horrible!
Actually, I think I do have a clue what this is about. This is about control. Power. Punishment. It's about showing those evil subhumans who's boss, in this society.
Once again I must remind Timmy that the issue is gay marriage, NOT being gay. There was never an initiative on the ballot trying to forbig gays from having gay sex. So Timmy you are just blowing smoke here.
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There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
They will always have the same meaning regardless of what society embraces.
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