Tithing…Is it a command?

[thephnxman]

His NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

I guess the same could be said for drunkenness, adulterers, liars, murderers, etc.. Thieves, extortioners, tithes teachers,
coveters, all of which are salvation issues. We are supposed to witness to the lost. That is what we do.

So it is my business. Are you being gripped by the power of conviction?

Convicted? No.

Let me ask, Beloved. Are you called into an office in the Ministry? Or do you
feel another calling? What is it that we should be "witnessing to the lost"? Is
there a difference between a ministerial office and the Church?

Beloved, I'm just trying to find common ground.

Brother Villa

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

His NAME is Jesus!



Convicted? No.

Let me ask, Beloved. Are you called into an office in the Ministry? Or do you
feel another calling? What is it that we should be "witnessing to the lost"? Is
there a difference between a ministerial office and the Church?

Beloved, I'm just trying to find common ground.

Brother Villa

We should be sharing the gospel. Freely we have received, we should freely give. Sound familiar? Taking a tenth of somebody’s earnings is not freely sharing the gospel. It is not supported by ANY scripture in the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, that I’m aware of.

If you have such scripture, I’d be happy for you to share. Freely.

[thephnxman]

His NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

We should be sharing the gospel.
Freely we have received, we should freely give. Sound familiar? Taking a tenth of somebody’s earnings is not freely
sharing the gospel. It is not supported by ANY scripture in the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, that I’m aware of.
If you have such scripture, I’d be happy for you to share. Freely.

Do you believe "...a workman is worthy of his hire"? Not that I am in favor of
hirelings. There are many Ministers that inadvertently (unconsciously) fulfill the
scripture in their ministration of the kingdom of God: who live by faith, and have
been greatly blessed. And kudos to them.

Have you been blessed by men who have followed the Lord's calling and are, for
all practical purposes, leaving all to serve the Church for the sake of the gospel?
How should we, the Church, support those whom He has called into the Ministry?
Should we not be careful to "...not muzzle the ox...": but to bless them with our
means, even as they have blessed us with theirs?

I have preached tithing, and will continue to do so, as a personal belief in MY
life, as it was in Abraham's and Jacob's lives. But I will NOT preach against it,
neither will I demand it: for I will not stand in God's way of leading or dealing
with individuals on this matter. I will state it more personally to them outside
of my immediate ministry (that I may or may not have): if you're led to it, do it.

My business is to preach and teach the gospel that saves!

Brother Villa

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

His NAME is Jesus!



Do you believe "...a workman is worthy of his hire"? Not that I am in favor of
hirelings. There are many Ministers that inadvertently (unconsciously) fulfill the
scripture in their ministration of the kingdom of God: who live by faith, and have
been greatly blessed. And kudos to them.

Have you been blessed by men who have followed the Lord's calling and are, for
all practical purposes, leaving all to serve the Church for the sake of the gospel?
How should we, the Church, support those whom He has called into the Ministry?
Should we not be careful to "...not muzzle the ox...": but to bless them with our
means, even as they have blessed us with theirs?

I have preached tithing, and will continue to do so, as a personal belief in MY
life, as it was in Abraham's and Jacob's lives. But I will NOT preach against it,
neither will I demand it: for I will not stand in God's way of leading or dealing
with individuals on this matter. I will state it more personally to them outside
of my immediate ministry (that I may or may not have): if you're led to it, do it.

My business is to preach and teach the gospel that saves!

Brother Villa

It seems that you believe that I am against teaching about tithes. That is not the case at all. I am a firm believer in teaching the truth about tithes! The doctrine that is typically taught in churches today, is NOT true.

Teach tithing. By all means. But study it carefully, and teach the Bible version.

That’s what I want.

[Tithesmeister]

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Bro villa

“Do you believe "...a workman is worthy of his hire"? Not that I am in favor of
hirelings. There are many Ministers that inadvertently (unconsciously) fulfill the
scripture in their ministration of the kingdom of God: who live by faith, and have
been greatly blessed. And kudos to them.

Have you been blessed by men who have followed the Lord's calling and are, for
all practical purposes, leaving all to serve the Church for the sake of the gospel?
How should we, the Church, support those whom He has called into the Ministry?
Should we not be careful to "...not muzzle the ox...": but to bless them with our
means, even as they have blessed us with theirs?”

Brother I’ll be glad to discuss this with you, and explain why it has nothing to do with tithes.
Tithes is a different discussion though.

First though could you explain to me why it is that you consider this to be tithing?

[thephnxman]

His NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

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Bro villa
“Do you believe "...a workman is worthy of his hire"? Not that I am in favor of
hirelings. There are many Ministers that inadvertently (unconsciously) fulfill the
scripture in their ministration of the kingdom of God: who live by faith, and have
been greatly blessed. And kudos to them.
Have you been blessed by men who have followed the Lord's calling and are, for
all practical purposes, leaving all to serve the Church for the sake of the gospel?
How should we, the Church, support those whom He has called into the Ministry?
Should we not be careful to "...not muzzle the ox...": but to bless them with our
means, even as they have blessed us with theirs?”

Brother I’ll be glad to discuss this with you, and explain why it has nothing to do with tithes.
Tithes is a different discussion though.
First though could you explain to me why it is that you consider this to be tithing?

Beloved, I wrote three paragraphs: the first two (which you're quoting) WERE NOT on tithing.
But if you want to comment on them, do it at your good pleasure.

Brother Villa

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

His NAME is Jesus!



Beloved, I wrote three paragraphs: the first two (which you're quoting) WERE NOT on tithing.
But if you want to comment on them, do it at your good pleasure.

Brother Villa

How do you “continue to preach tithing”, when it sounds like you are not even convinced that it is applicable to the church? What do you teach? What scriptures do you use?

I’m just curious.

[thephnxman]

His NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

How do you “continue to preach tithing”, when it sounds like you are not even convinced that it is applicable
to the church?
What do you teach? What scriptures do you use?
I’m just curious.

"ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine,
for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of
God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."

This is what I have written:
"I have preached tithing, and will continue to do so, as a personal belief in MY
life, as it was in Abraham's and Jacob's lives. But I will NOT preach against it,
neither will I demand it: for I will not stand in God's way of leading or dealing
with individuals on this matter. I will state it more personally to them outside
of my immediate ministry (that I may or may not have): No man sins if he
DOES tithe; and no man sins if he DOES NOT tithe.
if you're led to it, (to tithe) do it."

If a man tithe, let him; if he doesn't tithe, allow him his freedom. We are
not called to bondage but to exercise our freedom in Christ, even as father
Abraham and Jacob exercised their freedom.
Is the Lord leading you to tithe? Obey the Lord. Are you free from tithing?
Don't preach against personal obedience.

Brother Villa

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

His NAME is Jesus!



"ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine,
for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of
God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."

This is what I have written:
"I have preached tithing, and will continue to do so, as a personal belief in MY
life, as it was in Abraham's and Jacob's lives. But I will NOT preach against it,
neither will I demand it: for I will not stand in God's way of leading or dealing
with individuals on this matter. I will state it more personally to them outside
of my immediate ministry (that I may or may not have): No man sins if he
DOES tithe; and no man sins if he DOES NOT tithe.
if you're led to it, (to tithe) do it."

If a man tithe, let him; if he doesn't tithe, allow him his freedom. We are
not called to bondage but to exercise our freedom in Christ, even as father
Abraham and Jacob exercised their freedom.
Is the Lord leading you to tithe? Obey the Lord. Are you free from tithing?
Don't preach against personal obedience.

Brother Villa

I can go along with this teaching of tithing as far as it goes. However, it is incomplete.

Could you be bothered to define tithing, from a scriptural standpoint?

Maybe, including a list of things that were tithed in the Bible?

And perhaps some things that weren't?

And who was required to tithe in the Bible?

And who was not required, (or even allowed), to tithe in the Bible?

And who was eligible to receive tithes in the Bible?

Also, could you please, show where God gave man the authority to change what He instituted?

Because, I have noticed that, what was a tithe in the Bible, is not considered a tithe today, and what is considered a tithe today, would not have been ALLOWED to have been tithed in the Bible.

Please?

[thephnxman]

His NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

a) I can go along with this teaching of tithing as far as it goes. However, it is incomplete.
b) Could you be bothered to define tithing, from a scriptural standpoint?
Maybe, including a list of things that were tithed in the Bible?
And perhaps some things that weren't?
And who was required to tithe in the Bible?
And who was not required, (or even allowed), to tithe in the Bible?
And who was eligible to receive tithes in the Bible?
c) Also, could you please, show where God gave man the authority to change what He instituted?
Because, I have noticed that, what was a tithe in the Bible, is not considered a tithe today, and what
is considered a tithe today, would not have been ALLOWED to have been tithed in the Bible. Please?

a) Abraham and Jacob were not commanded to tithe, but it can be said that they did tithe
instinctively; that is, it was in their nature.
b) There are plenty of resources that helps one to define the guidelines to tithing;
b-1) the Jews were commanded to tithe [I believe], to see if they also had the
same instinct as Abraham and Jacob;
c) Man has never been granted permission to change the Laws of God, nor can he.
Fact is, very few know or can even acknowledge the Laws of Creation, much less
are attuned to all the laws of God.

If tithing was voluntary under Abraham, it is voluntary today: but do it in faith.
Not as serving the Law, but allowing grace to work in you.

Brother Villa