Water baptism, can you agree with this statement?

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Of course you know I don't believe in eternal security... but one is enough to initially put me in good standing w/ God.

Way to easy.

These typologies ... kill me.

Typologies kill you? What about disobedience? (the wages of sin is what?)

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by philjones

Well, I'll stop with the typologies then... I actually kind of like you and don't want you dying because of me.

This is really a subject where we will probably never agree. Call me willfully ignorant, but I am satisfied with my understanding of the scripture concerning the new birth. Sometime, hopefully we will get the chance to meet and sit and discuss this in a brotherly way and who knows what might happen.

Dan is thicked skin, he can take.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Who re-enacts? Its called obedience, or do you not believe in obedience?

Your presentation of the Gospel does ..

most Sacramentalists say that our response to the the Gospel is the Gospel ... and it's necessary to re-enact each step ... of HIS DEATH ... HIS BURIAL ... HIS RESURRECTION TO BE SAVED

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by philjones

Maybe you should pray me through to truth and then buy me dinner. It might be less messy because after you pray me through to truth I might start throwing up those false doctrine demons! It would be a shame to waste a good meal!

OUCH!

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Encryptus

So you are saying the majority is always right????

It was a joke. The liberals do the same when a poll goes thier way.:sshhh

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Encryptus

Actually Dan said man made dogmas! Or are you equating the two like so many pentecostals do?

Man made dogmas? Is that what we are calling it now? All those scriptures are dogmatic, well at least I'm not taking a chance on disobeying them.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Typologies kill you? What about disobedience? (the wages of sin is what?)

If you think anyone here is arguing against obedience ... YOU STILL DON'T GET IT as doesn't TBP... and are very disingenuous in stating that I and others on this board are advocating DISOBEDIENCE.

PCIers from Goss on down ... believe that baptism is to be obeyed ... as an initial step ...

but unfortunately until this day friend you haven't captured the dynamics of this debate ...

we are looking at what happens at baptism ... what it signifies

and the when and how of the New Birth....

One day it will click.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Encryptus

Three times, are you saying once for each person in the trinity?

No, I'm saying once for obedience.

[Hoovie]

OK I voted YES.

The idea that a new believer in Jesus is damned because he expires before baptism is strange to me. The redemption is that of the inner man.

Having said that... I believe Baptism is the first thing a new believer does - in bold profession of his newfound faith. The concept of taking classes or delaying baptism until a certain date, or an annual "Baptismal", is foreign to scripture.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

No, I'm saying once for obedience.

We agree then ... baptism is a result of obedience ... Jesus save us ....