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07-10-2007, 01:31 PM
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thanks deseret, your contribution was extremely thoughtful but it seems that you thoughts are still very much established in a "pre-Kingdom" of God being available to us.
Prophecy is the utterance of the divine instruction. Any vessel that is yielded will be available for this divine purpose, this godliness.
I am sorry if you still believe that the anointing of God is limited to a few. The greatest prophet who was born of a woman is less than you or I (presuming you believe the words attributed to Jesus).
For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
So you read my post backwards. It is not that there are NO prophets, it is that we all have the Spirit of prophecy dwelling in us IF WE ARE IN THE KINGDOM.
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07-10-2007, 01:35 PM
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1co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
Everyone in the Church does NOT occupy this office.
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07-10-2007, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Rico
1co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
Everyone in the Church does NOT occupy this office.
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I firmly believe that everyone in the body of Christ (the Kingdom of God) can speak what the Spirit tells them to speak. As such, every member of God's own body can move as a servant in prophesy.
It really is time for us to consider dropping the whole "I am a prophet" and start considering that "God's spirit manifests the gifting of a prophet" when it is needed to edify his own body.
The problem with such a view is it would take the whole "man club" distinctions and mess them up.
God's spirit will serve his church with manifestations of the functions needed. Let's not hang these as permenant banners on men but rather on God's manifestations through whatever vessel is available.
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07-10-2007, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by tbpew
I firmly believe that everyone in the body of Christ (the Kingdom of God) can speak what the Spirit tells them to speak. As such, every member of God's own body can move as a servant in prophesy.
It really is time for us to consider dropping the whole "I am a prophet" and start considering that "God's spirit manifests the gifting of a prophet" when it is needed to edify his own body.
The problem with such a view is it would take the whole "man club" distinctions and mess them up.
God's spirit will serve in manifestations of the functions needed by the church, lets not hang these banners on men but rather on God's manifestations through whatever vessel is available.
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Can you provide any scripture to back your beliefs? It seems to me the scriptures clearly identify prophets as part of the five fold ministry. If anyone can prophesy, as you claim, then anyone can be an apostle, teacher, or miracle worker.
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07-10-2007, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Rico
Can you provide any scripture to back your beliefs? It seems to me the scriptures clearly identify prophets as part of the five fold ministry. If anyone can prophesy, as you claim, then anyone can be an apostle, teacher, or miracle worker.
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Rico, what you are assuming is that these edifying giftings for God's church are established by specific persons rather than God manifesting these ministries (services) within yielded vessels.
Once a prophet always a prophet, or once a teach, always a teacher is a man-centric view not a spirit-centric view.
The anointing is what does/accomplishes the work. The Spirit that dwells within you and I, he does the work; manifests the effectiveness of the service. So the work/service of the apostle, prophet, teacher, shepherd, healer, miracle worker, etc is the Spirit of God manifesting these services not Rico or Tbpew.
If Rico is not around or is having a bad day, is God rendered impotent? Obviously not, he will need a different vessel to operate his will through in some specific manifestation of his giftings to operate within his church.
Could Rico be more yielded within certain spiritual operations then TBPew, sure! But RICO did not become a SHEPHERD, he was yielded to the allow the shepherding spirit of the most high God to operate through him.
Hope this helps.
PS, by way of scripture to support this view...I would probably start with the consistent witness that God has no respect of persons. If there is GREATER gifts then others, and the GIFTINGs are established with persons, then God has a real Catch-22 to work out of.
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07-10-2007, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by tbpew
I firmly believe that everyone in the body of Christ (the Kingdom of God) can speak what the Spirit tells them to speak. As such, every member of God's own body can move as a servant in prophesy.
It really is time for us to consider dropping the whole "I am a prophet" and start considering that "God's spirit manifests the gifting of a prophet" when it is needed to edify his own body.
The problem with such a view is it would take the whole "man club" distinctions and mess them up.
God's spirit will serve his church with manifestations of the functions needed. Let's not hang these as permenant banners on men but rather on God's manifestations through whatever vessel is available.
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But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 1 Cor 12:11
How does this verse fit in with your view that everyone in the body can prophecy?
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07-10-2007, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by tbpew
Rico, what you are assuming is that these edifying giftings for God's church are established by specific persons rather than God manifesting these ministries (services) within yielded vessels.
Once a prophet always a prophet, or once a teach, always a teacher is a man-centric view not a spirit-centric view.
The anointing is what does/accomplishes the work. The Spirit that dwells within you and I, he does the work; manifests the effectiveness of the service. So the work/service of the apostle, prophet, teacher, shepherd, healer, miracle worker, etc is the Spirit of God manifesting these services not Rico or Tbpew.
If Rico is not around or is having a bad day, is God rendered impotent? Obviously not, he will need a different vessel to operate his will through in some specific manifestation of his giftings to operate within his church.
Could Rico be more yielded within certain spiritual operations then TBPew, sure! But RICO did not become a SHEPHERD, he was yielded to the allow the shepherding spirit of the most high God to operate through him.
Hope this helps.
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Brother, I believe they are separate callings. In other words, some people are called to be apostles, some called to be prophets, some called to be teachers, etc. The whole chapter deals with us being individual members of one body, with different functions. A foot can not function as an arm. Only an arm can be an arm and a foot a foot. We all depend on each other, but we all serve in different capacities.
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07-10-2007, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 1 Cor 12:11
How does this verse fit in with your view that everyone in the body can prophecy? |
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your cite does little to support an idea that I have been enrolled [by God] as prophet and now I am forever a prophet to the exclusion of those who are not ME.
If the words we speak are not our own WE ARE ministering in prophecy. Our witness to be heralded is not our own words but the words of the one who has sent us, he does the works.
If everyone does not move in or towards this, they must be entirely speaking their OWN words throughout their journey in the Kingdom of God. That is just not God's work within each one of us. Godliness is when we are participants in the divine purpose however he chooses to manifest it (dividing to every man severally as he will).
I am not saying everyone will have a Word of Knowledge or the operation of miracles. I am saying that these are operations of the Spirit not of the man. They are NOT a SPECIFIC permanent addition to a man.
I started this point with prophecy because that is the utterance of God among men. I may not do a great job right this minute but I am saying that the operation of prophesy is not limited to God's manifestation of the gifting of a PROPHET.
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07-10-2007, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Rico
Can you provide any scripture to back your beliefs? It seems to me the scriptures clearly identify prophets as part of the five fold ministry. If anyone can prophesy, as you claim, then anyone can be an apostle, teacher, or miracle worker.
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Everyone can prophesy. Not everyone is a prophet.
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