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Old 04-21-2014, 09:10 PM
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One good thing this whole Bundy standoff is causing, is the states to reassert control over their lands. Texas, Oklahoma and Utah are now are pushing back against BLM plans to take more land for the feds.
I liked this that I read today: "We could not live in a modern, high-tech world only of Cliven Bundys, but perhaps we cannot live in a world without a few of them now and then to remind us of what we have become."
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David, Do you ever read anything by Doug Giles. I just saw this today - hilarious!
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Being the peacemaking Christian that I am, herewith are ten ways Cliven Bundy could get the Feds off his backside and actually ingratiate himself to the big government droogies of the Left:

10. Finally, and especially, Bundy should claim that he was the inspiration for Brokeback Mountain. If CB played the gay card they’d throw him a party at the White House and the BLM goons, wearing Daisy Dukes, would serve him and his posse a desert tortoise consommé.

http://townhall.com/columnists/dougg...eroes-n1826555
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I understand this a little better. Somehow the Bundy case ended up in federal court, probably because the Feds filed it there. The Bundy's litigated the case in federal court but should have done their best to get it out of the federal court and into state court.

1. The federal government should never be in the position to decide the extent of it's own power.

2. On matters of real estate, it is universally understood in the US, as a matter of principle, that these disputes should be decided by the states.

Perhaps this issue can evolve us into better understanding of state's rights. We are in a Constitutional fight in every area of our lives all over this country today. This just happens to be one of them.
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I don't know why he would assume the territory wasn't owned by the US, they paid for it and the Treaty was signed by the President.

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This treaty shall be ratified by the President of the United States of America, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate thereof; and by the President of the Mexican Republic, with the previous approbation of its general Congress; and the ratifications shall be exchanged in the City of Washington, or at the seat of Government of Mexico, in four months from the date of the signature hereof, or sooner if practicable. In faith whereof we, the respective Plenipotentiaries, have signed this treaty of peace, friendship, limits, and settlement, and have hereunto affixed our seals respectively. Done in quintuplicate, at the city of Guadalupe Hidalgo, on the second day of February, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and forty-eight.
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Exclusive--Texas AG Abbott to BLM: 'Come and Take It'

“I am about ready,” General Abbott told Breitbart Texas, “to go to go to the Red River and raise a ‘Come and Take It’ flag to tell the feds to stay out of Texas.”

“What Barack Obama’s BLM is doing,” Abbott continued, “is so out of bounds and so offensive that we should have quick and successful legal action if they dare attempt to tread on Texas land and take it from private property owners in this state.”

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Exclusive--Texas AG Abbott to BLM: 'Come and Take It'

“I am about ready,” General Abbott told Breitbart Texas, “to go to go to the Red River and raise a ‘Come and Take It’ flag to tell the feds to stay out of Texas.”

“What Barack Obama’s BLM is doing,” Abbott continued, “is so out of bounds and so offensive that we should have quick and successful legal action if they dare attempt to tread on Texas land and take it from private property owners in this state.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-T...me-and-Take-It


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David, Do you ever read anything by Doug Giles. I just saw this today - hilarious!


. That's hilarious! Thanks for posting.
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Hmmm...JD got quiet all the sudden.

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(1) The law (in question) is clear,
Tell me the law (in question). Because it's not clear.

On one hand, you have constitutional lawyers saying Bundy has a point with his claim that once NV became a state, fed control of the land should have been returned to the state; on the other hand you claim the law is clear.

So please, post the law in question. What law is clear?

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(2) the cattle was taken legally by court order,
The court order was for cattle ON the PUBLIC land controlled by the BLM to be rounded up and held. Did that happen? NO! FACT, the feds shut down over 1,200 MILES of land, including roads used by local and state traffic. FACT, BLM used multiple helicopters and hired cowboys, along with its own armed response teams to run down the cattle and harrass protesters. FACT, BLM destroyed two water tanks and shot two prized bulls which were in their stalls and not a danger to anyone. FACT, BLM fenced off a small area and demanded protesters stay inside the fenced in area in order to use their first amendment rights. FACT, there were BLM snipers positioned up on a hill against Bundy family members who were simply trying to film cattle. (read Moapa Valley news excerpt below)


Several times you've claimed only the protesters had snipers. This is untrue. Prior to April 12th, it was the BLM who used snipers against the Bundy family.

You claim the BLM was just following the court order; however, the facts show they went well over what the court order gave them authority to do.

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(3) bundy supporters came from many states,
Uhm, okay. And a lot of them were neighboring ranchers in NV. What's your point?

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(4) many of them armed,
Great! However, let's make sure you understand that prior to Saturday, April 12th, when Cliven Bundy gave the ultimatum to stand down; prior to that, Bundy required all the protesters keep their firearms packed away. If you look at the videos prior to the April 12th showdown, no one is armed. Now, what would have happened if on April 12th, these protesters showed up without their weapons? The BLM thugs were in riot gear with automatic assault rifles.

You seem to not understand a simple Reagan concept that won the Cold War...the one with the most weapons wins. Do you think the Cold War was won by the US disarming? No, Reagan won the Cold War by making sure the US had more nukes and bombs than the USSR did.

Same rule applies here. You don't go to a showdown unarmed against BLM thugs armed with assault rifles and riot gear. If they had, I would guarantee you the BLM would have shot tear gas and beat them bloody....which you would have LOVED to watch, I'm sure.

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(5) and they were strategizing their use of deadly force against legitimate law enforcement officers.
I disagree with the word "legitimate." Again, refer back to the court order that only gave the BLM permission to hold the cattle.

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(6) Part of their strategizing included the use of snipers and the placement of women in what they thought would be the primary line of fire.
Use of snipers is a great strategy. PO already showed that this alleged strategy of putting women on the front lines was done by the women themselves.

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(7) The bundy supporters purposefully disrupted legitimate law enforcement operations-- these people were the thugs in this case.
Again, refer to the court order. The BLM overreached. Even the Governor of NV, and other members of Congress said it was a gross overreach by the BLM. They were not conducting "legitimate" operations.

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(8) The Feds backed down, to their credit, to avoid a situation that was clearly headed towards bloody violence.
The feds backed down after two things happened: 1) news broke that Hypocrite Harry Reid was using the BLM as a way to grab Bundy ranch land for his solar plant plans; and 2) hundreds of armed Americans showed up to protest the invasion of state land by the feds.


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(9) Yes, many of the bundy supporters are members of extreme right-winged militia groups.
(10) Yes, many of the people who participate in those types of groups are racists.
I'll group these two together. Anytime you have a gathering of people, whether they be conservative, liberal, anarchists, etc....you will have others who are from fringe/extremist sides.

Let me help you. First, most militia lean right. I doubt there's a single progressive or left-wing state militia around. So you shouldn't be shocked or try to make a point by saying, "oooohhh, they're extreme right-wing." Militia's in general lean right. Who cares.

And of course you throw in the race card...although, as PO pointed out, the protesters were mixed in race and color, so your race card doesn't stick. Also, I've yet to hear you complain about immigrant protesters and the fact that La Raza and other militant immigrant groups are typically behind any pro-amnesty march.

And more of the race card junk. You seem to be fixated on throwing out the race card lately. Several posts on more than this thread show you accusing anyone and everyone of being racist. I'm just waiting for your criticism of obama's "recent past" close ties with a real domestic terrorist, Bill Ayers. I would think, since you are against people who are against the government, that it would include someone like Bill Ayers who actually took lives and attacked the government.

Tell me again, JD, how many BLM thugs did Bundy and his supporters injure or kill during the standoff? How many shots did they fire? How many BLM thugs did they attack?

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(11) Yes, former Sheriff Mack has collaborated with a noted white supremacist in the recent past.
Who is this "noted white supremacist" with whom Sheriff Mack collaborated? I'm sure you have a name. Please let me know.

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(12) Yes, Timothy McVeigh had A LOT in common with many of bozo bundy supporters.
This is offensive. McVeigh was a domestic or homegrown terrorist. He was at war with the government and brutally attacked the government.

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No one dares to refute the truth.
Well, I just did. You should examine the truth.

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Watch BLM Whistleblower Reveal What Could Be The Real Reason Behind Bundy Ranch Stand-off

Meet BLM whistleblower Rusty Hill, who uncovered the corporations and shady land deals connected to Reid Bunkerville LLC, Zion Bank Corp, and BLM lands surrounding the Bundy properties.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNGJXDuLkdI#t=337


http://www.westernjournalism.com/wat...d-bundy-ranch/
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