What I'm Learning From Islam:

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by seekerman

You've failed to show a religion more violent than Islam. That's because Islam is the most violent religion on earth. Here's a few more photos for you to enjoy...there are literally thousands of them...

We are not discussing that though are we. We are discussing quality of life and you haven't even come close to explaining the gaps between the data and your opinion. So immigration numbers indicate that worldwide immigration rates to the United States are 50% statistically lower from Muslim countries than from non-Muslim countries. That's a significant gap. What is even more significant is that 20% of immigrants from Muslim countries in 2013 came from (one) country and that was Iraq. Out of 1.165 BILLION remaining Muslims an insignificant 95,000 immigrated to the United States in 2013.

Contrast that to the 3.2 million Americans living and working abroad and the million Americans travelling abroad for better and more affordable healthcare and what it looks like is that Muslims in Muslim countries stay put and Americans are the ones leaving for a better life. The numbers reflect the opposite of your opinion dude. 95,000 people from Muslim countries. There are 50000 Americans living and working in Saudi Arabia alone!

So go get some more articles. There are lots and lots more numbers out there that you cannot possibly have an answer to or explanation for.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

When I was in the Navy I loved going to Abu Dhabi, Dubai and Bahrain.

I have been there.

Good luck describing it to this guy though.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

We are not discussing that though are we. We are discussing quality of life and you haven't even come close to explaining the gaps between the data and your opinion.

The photos, showing Islamic RELIGIOUS violence aren't my opinion, tex. Here's a few more for you from the religion of peace, Islam. You can ignore them but be assured others aren't.







The world is seeing what a violent, backward and ignorant religion Islam is, tex. The most violent religion on the face of the earth.

So immigration numbers indicate that worldwide immigration rates to the United States are 50% statistically lower from Muslim countries than from non-Muslim countries. That's a significant gap. What is even more significant is that 20% of immigrants from Muslim countries in 2013 came from (one) country and that was Iraq. Out of 1.165 BILLION remaining Muslims an insignificant 95,000 immigrated to the United States in 2013.

I ask you again. In America, there are large muslim communities fueled by immigration. Muslims in the middle east are frantic to move to a country where there is freedom, opportunity and, for the women, less oppression.

Now, tell us about those large American Christian communities fueled by emigration from America. Where are they located in the middle east?

Hello!

Contrast that to the 3.2 million Americans living and working abroad and the million Americans travelling abroad for better and more affordable healthcare and what it looks like is that Muslims in Muslim countries stay put and Americans are the ones leaving for a better life. The numbers reflect the opposite of your opinion dude. 95,000 people from Muslim countries. There are 50000 Americans living and working in Saudi Arabia alone!

Of course there are Americans living and working in Saudi Arabia. That's because Islam produces such a backward and ignorant citizenry that they can't, after many many decades, actually operate the oil production system themselves. They HAVE to have the Americans. Without the Americans, the higher standard of living (in comparison to goat herding and camel riding and living in tents) would not be enjoyed by the muslim community.

Give thanks to the Americans, tex. Without them there would be no oil industry in the middle east.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Give thanks to the Americans, tex. Without them there would be no oil industry in the middle east.

You got part of it right. Without the Middle East there sure would be no oil industry in America. Just long lines at the gas pump.

Oil? (laughing)

The Saudi Arabian Basic Industries Corporation SABIC was established by a royal decree in 1976 to produce chemicals, polymers, and fertilizers. In 2008, SABIC was Asia's largest (in terms of market capitalization) and most profitable publicly listed non-oil company, the world's fourth-largest petrochemical company, ranked 186th as world's largest corporation on the Fortune Global 500 for 2009, the second largest producer of ethylene glycol and methanol in the world, the third largest producer of polyethylene and overall the fourth-largest producer of polypropylene and polyolefin. Standard and Poor's and Fitch Ratings claimed SABIC to be the world's largest producer of polymers and the Persian Gulf region's largest steel producer for 2005 and assigned SABIC an "A" corporate credit rating. In 2008, Fortune 500 ranking records SABIC revenues at $40.2 billion, profits at $5.8 billion and assets standing at $72.4 billion

Ma'aden was formed as a Saudi joint stock company on 23 March 1997 for the purpose of facilitating the development of Saudi Arabia’s mineral resources. Ma'aden's activities have focused on its active gold business which has grown in recent years to include the operation of five gold mines: Mahd Ad Dahab, Al Hajar, Sukhaybarat, Bulghah, and Al Amar. Ma'aden is now expanding its activities beyond its gold business with the development of phosphates, aluminum, and other projects. In addition, since its formation, Ma'aden (through the Ministry of Petroleum and Mineral Resources) has collaborated with the government and local legislators to develop a regulatory framework for the governance of the mining industry.

On 20 December 2009, Ma'aden signed an agreement with U.S. aluminum giant Alcoa to build a $10.8 billion aluminum complex. Under the agreement, the two firms will build a 1.8 million tonnes per year aluminum refinery and a 740,000 million tonnes per year smelter in Ras Azzour. The smelter is slated to start production in 2013 while the refinery would come online in 2014

Sadara Chemical Company: Dow entered into a joint venture with Saudi Aramco in 2011 to build a world scale integrated chemicals complex in Jubail. The project will comprise of 26 manufacturing units, several of which constitute “mega projects” in themselves. Once complete, the joint venture complex will be one of the world’s largest integrated chemical facilities and the largest ever built in a single phase. Sadara will contribute significantly to Saudi Arabia’s industrial diversification and the planned product portfolio will add value chains to the Kingdom’s vast natural resources and complement the existing petrochemical landscape. Ultimately, the joint venture will be instrumental in Saudi Arabia’s strategy to become not only a strategic chemicals and plastics producer, but also a hub for future downstream manufacturing.

Saudi Basic Industries Corp. (SABIC) and Exxon Mobil Corp. (XOM) will borrow $1.2 billion from banks for expansion of their joint venture petrochemicals project in the kingdom, two people familiar with the deal said.

Al-Jubail Petrochemcial Co., known as Kemya, will raise a total of $2.2 billion through a mix of shareholder loans and bank debt, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the information is private. The funding will have a tenor of 10 years, they said.

Kemya is building a specialty-elastomer plant on the kingdom’s Persian Gulf coast that will produce 400,000 tons of rubber products a year, which will be sold in Saudi Arabia and exported to the Middle East and Asia. Construction contracts were awarded in June 2012 with production expected to begin in the second half of 2015.

A $900 million loan from 10 local and international banks will be backed by Sabic, while Exxon Mobil will guarantee a $100 million facility from non-Saudi banks. Kemya will also borrow about $200 million in Saudi riyals in a non-guaranteed loan, the people said.

As part of the financing, Exxon Mobil will also provide a shareholder loan of $900 million, while Sabic will contribute $100 million, one of the people said.

So I am wondering why Alcoa and Dow and Exxon would rather make aluminum and petrochemicals in Saudi Arabia than the US? Jubail is a nice place. Full of "suffering" Americans LOL....on the flip side are there any industrial facilities being built in your state or your area? Of course not, because they have better places to build and run them. If America is such a great place to work and expand and do business what are these billions of dollars doing flowing to Saudi. There is even more flowing to the UAE. I guess ignorant, goat-herding, camel-riding Muslims are better to invest in than people like you huh. Probably your vast level of education and hard work ethic scares them huh. LOL

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

You got part of it right. Without the Middle East there sure would be no oil industry in America. Just long lines at the gas pump.

Oil? (laughing)

Without the west, especially America, there would be little oil production in the middle east. If the west, especially America, were to leave the region the muslims would quickly to back to goat herding and camel riding.

Give thanks to America, tex!

So I am wondering why Alcoa and Dow and Exxon would rather make aluminum and petrochemicals in Saudi Arabia than the US?

That's the source of the raw materials, bubba. The things I have to explain to you muslims.

Jubail is a nice place. Full of "suffering" Americans LOL....on the flip side are there any industrial facilities being built in your state or your area? Of course not, because they have better places to build and run them.

Why yes, yes there are. Thank you for asking. America has been at the forefront of the industrial revelation for quite a while now. Conversely, the Islamic countries were backward and ignorant, dwelling in abject poverty and ignorance until the west, the Americans came and pulled them out of an impoverished lifestyle. They couldn't do it on their own.

If America is such a great place to work and expand and do business what are these billions of dollars doing flowing to Saudi. There is even more flowing to the UAE. I guess ignorant, goat-herding, camel-riding Muslims are better to invest in than people like you huh. Probably your vast level of education and hard work ethic scares them huh. LOL

Oil. It's about the oil. Oil goes, goats will suddenly be a valuable commoditity with the middle east muslims.

Give thanks to America, tex!!

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Without the west, especially America, there would be little oil production in the middle east.

That's the source of the raw materials


Why yes, yes there are. Thank you for asking. America has been at the forefront of the industrial revelation for quite a while now. Conversely, the Islamic countries were backward and ignorant, dwelling in abject poverty and ignorance until the west, the Americans came and pulled them out of an impoverished lifestyle. They couldn't do it on their own.

Oil. It's about the oil. Oil goes, goats will suddenly be a valuable commoditity with the middle east muslims.

Source of the raw materials huh. That's funny. We are shipping excess naphtha from Alaska to China at a discount just to get rid of it.

http://www.shell.us/aboutshell/proje...rt-arthur.html was the last refinery expansion in the US. It was not paid for by Americans, it was paid for by Dutch and Saudis.

It has nothing to do with oil. The reason that XOM and Dow are investing in the Mideast is because they don't have any money to invest in their own assets at home and they need the money - not the feedstock. You fail to recognize that America and Americans and American companies have neither money nor feedstocks.

Just like Texaco, who is no more, needed money years ago so that they sold their refineries to the Saudis and Dutch and the expansions to those refineries are paid for with Saudi money.

So you did not know that the largest refinery in the US is not owned nor was built by an American company, it is 50% owned by goat herding Muslims and 50% owned by dope-smoking Dutch. You better look around sport. It is you who are more and more dependent on what you call backwards, goat-herding Muslims.

PS Exxon-Mobil used to own the largest Refinery in the US. They have now been surpassed by goat-herders and are dependent on goat herders for the money to fund their investments and expansions.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Source of the raw materials huh. That's funny. We are shipping excess naphtha from Alaska to China at a discount just to get rid of it.

http://www.shell.us/aboutshell/proje...rt-arthur.html was the last refinery expansion in the US. It was not paid for by Americans, it was paid for by Dutch and Saudis.

It has nothing to do with oil. The reason that XOM and Dow are investing in the Mideast is because they don't have any money to invest in their own assets at home and they need the money - not the feedstock. You fail to recognize that America and Americans and American companies have neither money nor feedstocks.

Just like Texaco, who is no more, needed money years ago so that they sold their refineries to the Saudis and Dutch and the expansions to those refineries are paid for with Saudi money.

So you did not know that the largest refinery in the US is not owned nor was built by an American company, it is 50% owned by goat herding Muslims and 50% owned by dope-smoking Dutch. You better look around sport. It is you who are more and more dependent on what you call backwards, goat-herding Muslims.

PS Exxon-Mobil used to own the largest Refinery in the US. They have now been surpassed by goat-herders and are dependent on goat herders for the money to fund their investments and expansions.

You're simply reinforcing the truth of the backward and ignorant mindset of the typical middle east muslim. Of course the Saudis' are buying this and that, investing here and there, they're enjoying a financial windfall because of the west, because of America. The west, America, is why some aren't measuring their net worth by the size of their goat herds or quality of their camels. The west, especially America, had the knowledge, the ingenuity, the manufacturing skills with was totally absent in the middle east Islamic world.

Of course there will be investment of those billions which the Saudi's have reaped from their oil which they were too stupid and backward to produce themselves. What they won't do is invest in a widespread manufacturing economy in Saudi Arabia. Know why, tex? Because the backward and ignorant muslims of the middle east doesn't have a manufacturing economy. The middle east produces oil which is already underground, all one has to do is extract it. The ignorant muslims of the middle east were unable to do it themselves so here comes their saviors, America and the west. The ignorant muslims couldn't build refineries, distribution facilities, support the oil infrastructure, so here comes their saviors, America and the west.

You can talk about money and investment all day, but there would be little money (except what one could get from selling goat milk, goat meat, goat cheese) to invest if it had not been for the financial saviors of the muslim countries of the middle east....namely America and the west.

Bow to the west, to America, tex. Give thanks where thanks is due.

Oh, and it has EVERYTHING to do with oil. No oil, no money.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by seekerman

You're simply reinforcing the truth of the backward and ignorant mindset of the typical middle east muslim.

Bow to the west, to America, tex. Give thanks where thanks is due.

Interesting to know and see what you worship and bow to. I will add that to "what I learn from christians".

I cannot possibly have the mindset of a "typical middle eastern Muslim" nor would I ever stoop to publicly choose to demonstrate the mindset of a close-minded, ignorant, overweight, uneducated, redneck, corn-pone Oka-billy.

I can however speak of what I know and have seen.

Though I am not Saudi and knew no Saudis at the time I would never, even in the depth of my wildest and most godless beer-drinking and womanizing days spent working in oil and gas from Alaska to Texas, have belittled and insulted total strangers as you do.

You speak of a "manufacturing economy" as if you have anything to do with manufacturing. You can not and you do not. You have stapled the palm of your hand to the cuffs of the pants of good men who went before you and worked out business agreements with people who are different from them in order to build you a better life.

I know for certain that those tough but open-minded men who build these things all over the world, most of who are neither christian nor muslim, would never speak the way you do either. It is nothing to wipe the smears of what is left of those who do speak with insulting words from the soles of their shoes while they finish their beer and walk out the door to their next location.

Welcome to Texas - sport!

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Interesting to know and see what you worship and bow to. I will add that to "what I learn from christians".

You pay homage to those who free you from the chains of poverty, tex. Nothing wrong with that.

Now, when are you going to give a big THANK YOU to the west, especially America?

I cannot possibly have the mindset of a "typical middle eastern Muslim" nor would I ever stoop to publicly choose to demonstrate the mindset of a close-minded, ignorant, overweight, uneducated, redneck, corn-pone Oka-billy.

I can actually give you a picture of the ignorant mindset of muslims. And I'm being nice when I use the word "ignorant".....



Are you aware that's not uncommon within Islam, tex? Of course you are.

I can however speak of what I know and have seen.

Though I am not Saudi and knew no Saudis at the time I would never, even in the depth of my wildest and most godless beer-drinking and womanizing days spent working in oil and gas from Alaska to Texas, have belittled and insulted total strangers as you do.

You're the guy who's coming into a Christian forum and trying to sell Islamic swill. It's not going to work.

You speak of a "manufacturing economy" as if you have anything to do with manufacturing. You can not and you do not. You have stapled the palm of your hand to the cuffs of the pants of good men who went before you and worked out business agreements with people who are different from them in order to build you a better life.

I know for certain that those tough but open-minded men who build these things all over the world, most of who are neither christian nor muslim, would never speak the way you do either. It is nothing to wipe the smears of what is left of those who do speak with insulting words from the soles of their shoes while they finish their beer and walk out the door to their next location.

Welcome to Texas - sport!

Tex, calm down. Truth hurts but it's nothing to be feared. The truth is, the middle eastern muslims are a relatively backward and ignorant lot which is proven in so many areas of life. Bombings. Oppression of women. Lack of manufacturing infrastructure in spite of billions (because of the west, the Americans...don't forget that) poured into their treasury.

Any productive society, and that's just about everywhere in the world except for the middle east and Africa, would have manufacturing at the highest level with the billions available the middle east has. But the muslims aren't doing that. That's truth. That's a fact. There is something inherently wrong with a society, given the opportunity, to not advance. You can see advancement in many of the non-Islamic Asian countries which produce the highest levels of technology and transportation. Not so the middle east Islamic countries though.

The ignorant religious nut muslims of the middle east on the other hand have only one thing....oil. When it's gone, back to goat herding they go. There's no infrastructure in place to continue the inflow of cash that they're seeing now.

Give it time. Islam is the most violent religion on earth and the most oppressive and that's not going to change anytime soon, but their economic status will one day.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

We are not discussing that though are we. We are discussing quality of life and you haven't even come close to explaining the gaps between the data and your opinion. So immigration numbers indicate that worldwide immigration rates to the United States are 50% statistically lower from Muslim countries than from non-Muslim countries..

That may have something to do with 1) the US being more discriminating towards possible Islamic Terrorists and so allowing less immigrants from those nations and

2) America being viewed as the Great Satan by Muslims

and 3) Muslims both Conservative and Moderate can't or won't tolerate American values and laws.

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