Don't you miss the days of Pres. BC?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esther

I don't know what else you would call a vote, but support for them???

I agree there is no way you can agree with all a candiate stands for. However, for ME I can't knowingly vote for someone that admits and promotes what God calls an abomination. Personally, I don't see how any christian can.

Oh my goodness.

Reality check....abortion isn't going away and they will never outlaw it in the United States.

Also, gay people are tax paying citizens too. I don't like their lifestyle and I think it's sin. However, I don't think it's the government's job to be policing marriage. It's a private issue for private citizens living in a free country. I preach against it, I admonish any homosexual I know to build a relationship with Jesus Christ, and I'd never perform a gay wedding. However, I don't think the government's job is to stop gay people from marrying. Frankly, it could be argued that if anyone is going to have sex (gay or straight) they should be legally obligated to the other individual.

I have an uncle-in-law who's an Anglican Bishop. He's what I call an "ultra-liberal" and we like to have a friendly debate every so often. He personally supports gay marriage and follows a liberal interpretation of the Bible wherein he doesn't believe it's a sin. Many churches he frequents also don't believe it's a sin and they are strong advocates of gay marriage for the gay members of their congregations. Now, I disagree with him personally here, but he brought up an interesting point. He believes that the religious liberties of liberal Christians are infringed upon by gay marriage bans. He believes that their churches should have the right to recognize and solemnize anything their faith allows. He sees codifying MY religious beliefs and banning his as a form of discrimination against the Anglican Church's religious liberties. That could be said for any liberal Christian denomination.

So as you can see, it's more than just a privacy issue... it's also an issue of religious liberty.

Do I agree with it, no. But I believe America should be a free country where people can live and believe as they choose. When I was in the Army I had to come to grips with that because I was prepared to die for my country, even though the vast majority of my country's people and laws are what I call "unChristian". So I realized that I'm not fighting to preserve a "Christian Country"... I was defending a "Free Country" where people can be free, including the worst of sinners.

Maybe that makes me unChristian. But that's my angle.

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi boldly defended a move to add birth control funding to the new economic "stimulus" package, claiming "contraception will reduce costs to the states and to the federal government."

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashpbc.htm

I say we make it mandatory for all Democrats to be fixed. =)

[Truthseeker]

Aquila

For the record I wasn't implying you were baby killer. I was refering to the MDs that perform them and them that have abortions. Might as well add them that support it and the politicians that are for it.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I think you got a point there, but then why are abortion folks so worried when a republican appoints a SJ???


http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/04/18/sc...ion/index.html

Some felt this could lead to a roe vs wade reversal.

LOL

That's the Democrat's game. The Republicans capture your vote by pretending to be Pro-Life, the Democrats capture a lot of the women's votes by playing on the Republican game and scaring them into thinking Republicans will overturn Roe. It's all a BIG GAME.

[Aquila]

[QUOTE=Mrs. LPW;691616][QUOTE=Aquila;691217]Was King David sentenced to death?

I'm not sure if anyone answered the question before me. If so, please forgive.

King David was spared, but his child paid the price for his sin.

I won't wade into the political/presidential/sin debate.
I don't believe Bush's intentions were to kill though... but to protect.

Because our Lord was crucified, and rose again, all of us, including our leaders can have our sins wiped away! Clinton and Bush alike!

Fair post. God bless ya.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Aquila

LOL

That's the Democrat's game. The Republicans capture your vote by pretending to be Pro-Life, the Democrats capture a lot of the women's votes by playing on the Republican game and scaring them into thinking Republicans will overturn Roe. It's all a BIG GAME.

I think you might be on to something there, we all being played to some degree.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

So we slaughter thousands of babie for the rare times, none that I heard of, where the mother health may be at risk???

"We" aren't killing anything. Individual women are making that choice for themselves, they alone bare that moral responsibility. For the past 30 years they have been and frankly, they will continue to do so because abortion will never be criminalized in the United States. Sorry, I'm just a realist.

But let's imagine a dream world where it's possible to ban abortion. You'd make that one woman's life expendable for your political agenda.

Also, here's another question. Let's assume they criminalized abortion today. Then the government would have to police health care providers and every woman's health care records and procedures to enforce the ban. That will take a lot of money, time, and manpower. Resources that could be used fighting other more dangerous criminals. Then we have to consider... realistically what would be the penalty issued to women who procured abortion? Death penalty? NOT. Prison time? NOT. A fine? MAYBE. So if we fine women for abortion we reduce the value of life to that of a parking ticket...AND... THE GOVERNMENT MAKES MONEY OFF OF IT.

Think bro...think.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I've been in the Army as well, so let baby killing be in the people hands???? Interesting.

Ugly fallen world isn't it? It's called a bitter reality. That's why we need to preach more than politicize.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Is the baby alive in the womb? yes

Is the bible dead after killed by a doctor? Yes

So did someone kill a baby? Yes

Makes them a baby killer? yes.


I guess you like the softer soothe the conscious words, but ripping a baby out the womb is killing.

Prochoice sounds better then prodeath.

Bro, you're ignorant. lol

I'm not pro-death. I just think that the choice to abort is better left in the hands of individuals. It doesn't take the supreme court to persuade a person not to abort. Just kindness, help, and prayer. No court can overturn that. I'm all for measures to help women and reduce the abortion rate. I just believe that if we get the government involved...it will get worse. For example, the government launched a "war on drugs"... we have MORE drugs. The government launched a "war on illiteracy"... we have MORE illiteracy. The government launched a "war on poverty"... we have MORE poverty. Now you want the government to launch a "war on abortion"? Are you crazy?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by jaxfam6

I say we make it mandatory for all Democrats to be fixed. =)

LOL You aint right.