Can a oneness believer make it to Heaven... - Page 13

Jermyn Davidson · #**121** 06-27-2008, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico

Exactly. It can be a tough choice to make, but integrity and loyalty to the Word of God demands that the choice be made.

But when a man or woman decides to make that stand, there are other stuff that you inevitably have to stand for, or you're rebellious, not saved, spawn of satan whatever. It was the other stuff that made me question the Apostolic theology in the first place.

Rico · #**122** 06-27-2008, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 1399

But when a man or woman decides to make that stand, there are other stuff that you inevitably have to stand for, or you're rebellious, not saved, spawn of satan whatever. It was the other stuff that made me question the Apostolic theology in the first place.

Brother, all that other stuff really isn't relevant to where you stand with God. I don't doubt for a minute that there are people around here who will disagree with me on that. Personally, I let God be the one who tells me what I need to give up or what I can keep to stay right with Him. That's why I find myself all over the map on these issues. In some ways, I would be considered conservative. In others I would be considered liberal.

All I am really interested in, however, is whether or not I am pleasing God. I have two things to guide me and give me the confidence to know I am on the right path: God's Word and the leading of the Holy Ghost. Between those two I give the Word more relevance, because I know it's easy to think I am following after His Spirit when I could be following after something other than His spirit.

OnTheFritz · #**123** 06-27-2008, 02:25 PM

Devil's advocate here (irony intended):

I was always taught that Trinitarians "just don't know the full truth yet" - or they don't understand... like they're illiterate idiots. Oh, they understand it. And they reject it. Go to christianforums.com sometime and get into the theology debates and watch them talk circles around you. My point is - everyone that says, "but you just need to follow Acts 2:38 -- either you do or you don't." You need to recognize that non-UPC people have SEEN that verse. They understand it, and have a different interpretation. I'm not saying it's right, but as with all of this standards talk, you'd better hope you have the rest of the Bible backing up your single-verse doctrine.

Jermyn Davidson · #**124** 06-27-2008, 02:29 PM

I appreciate y'alls patience with me as I jumped into this thread and messed stuff all up. Yes, I have stuff to work out with my faith and walk in the Lord. No, I don't believe the Apostolics have a corner on Heaven and yes I believe in Acts 2:38-- I believe in the whole Bible. Doctrine is not a bad word, but there are bad doctrines. I'm not completely ecumenical in my thoughts about Heaven, but I do believe that somehow, God will work it out so that the Apostolics are not the only Christians in Heaven. Do I make sense, nope, I know I don't. I was trying to walk through some stuff in my mind and I appreciate this forum for allowing me to do that.

TRFrance · #**125** 06-27-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 1399

But when a man or woman decides to make that stand, there are other stuff that you inevitably have to stand for, or you're rebellious, not saved, spawn of satan whatever. It was the other stuff that made me question the Apostolic theology in the first place.

The biblical plan of salvation, via obedience to the gospel, is the foundation of a person's walk with God. The "other stuff" is essentially non-salvational.

Non-salvational stuff has never caused me to question, or deviate from, the biblical plan of salvation which God has shown me in His word.

Kutless · #**126** 06-27-2008, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

The biblical plan of salvation, via obedience to the gospel, is the foundation of a person's walk with God. The "other stuff" is essentially non-salvational.

Non-salvational stuff has never caused me to question, or deviate from, the biblical plan of salvation which God has shown me in His word.

Wholeheartidly agree here.

OnTheFritz · #**127** 06-27-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

The biblical plan of salvation, via obedience to the gospel, is the foundation of a person's walk with God. The "other stuff" is essentially non-salvational.

Non-salvational stuff has never caused me to question, or deviate from, the biblical plan of salvation which God has shown me in His word.

Agreed. Well said.

Rico · #**128** 06-27-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 1399

I appreciate y'alls patience with me as I jumped into this thread and messed stuff all up. Yes, I have stuff to work out with my faith and walk in the Lord. No, I don't believe the Apostolics have a corner on Heaven and yes I believe in Acts 2:38-- I believe in the whole Bible. Doctrine is not a bad word, but there are bad doctrines. I'm not completely ecumenical in my thoughts about Heaven, but I do believe that somehow, God will work it out so that the Apostolics are not the only Christians in Heaven. Do I make sense, nope, I know I don't. I was trying to walk through some stuff in my mind and I appreciate this forum for allowing me to do that.

That's what weez here for!

Jermyn Davidson · #**129** 06-27-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

Non-salvational stuff has never caused me to question, or deviate from, the biblical plan of salvation which God has shown me in His word.

I was raised in a strict Apostolic environment and started fellowshipping with the UPC when I was 19. The non-salvational stuff made me ask this questions:
Am I saved by what I do and don't do or am I saved by grace? Am I kept saved by what I do or don't do or am I kept saved by that same grace that saved me at the beginning?

These questions led to other questions that eventually led me to see salvation, as preached by Apostolics, to be a salvation based on works, based on me doing something to achieve that precious salvation that Christ freely gives to all believers by faith (at least this what I believe right now, I can change as I am a work in progress.)

Rico · #**130** 06-27-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 1399

I was raised in a strict Apostolic environment and started fellowshipping with the UPC when I was 19. The non-salvational stuff made me ask this questions:
Am I saved by what I do and don't do or am I saved by grace? Am I kept saved by what I do or don't do or am I kept saved by that same grace that saved me at the beginning?

These questions led to other questions that eventually led me to see salvation, as preached by Apostolics, to be a salvation based on works, based on me doing something to achieve that precious salvation that Christ freely gives to all believers by faith (at least this what I believe right now, I can change as I am a work in progress.)

It's not uncommon for that pendulum to swing all the way in the opposite direction, once someone starts asking the kinds of questions you are asking.