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Antipas · #**121** 04-01-2008, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

What is your source for this information? I found this quote from www.caerleon.net/history/army/page3.html

"A centurion was in charge of a century made up of 80 legionary soldiers.
His equipment was very different so his men could quickly find him in battle.
He carried a vine stick as a badge of rank. He would use this to punish his men!
The horsehair crest on his helmet went from side to side.
He wore medals on his chest, awarded for bravery in battle.
Centurions could marry, and their wives lived in the barracks with them.
They did not march, they rode on horseback."

You are reading a lot into those verses. Jesus simply said that those who reject the Gospel (and its messengers) would be punished severely. Matthew 10:15 Same in Matthew 11 - They were not accepting Christ, even after seeing mighty works. It has nothing to do with those Israelites who were committed to their traditions and the Pharisees with their religiosity and strict moralism.

Interesting details. I was under the impression that centurions couldn't marry. I'd also like to know if the word "pais" is used to denote male servants who served centurions in place of a wife.

This is one reason why I like the internet. We can share what we've heard or read and keep each other informed.

James Griffin · #**122** 04-01-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Antipas

I'll agree. Besides, the Bible commands parents to raise and educate their own children. Christian parents are out of the will of God if they send their children to public schools.

Must come as quite a shock to the Jews who sent their kids to synagogue.

Antipas · #**123** 04-01-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

What is your source for this information? I found this quote from www.caerleon.net/history/army/page3.html

"A centurion was in charge of a century made up of 80 legionary soldiers.
His equipment was very different so his men could quickly find him in battle.
He carried a vine stick as a badge of rank. He would use this to punish his men!
The horsehair crest on his helmet went from side to side.
He wore medals on his chest, awarded for bravery in battle.
Centurions could marry, and their wives lived in the barracks with them.
They did not march, they rode on horseback."

You are reading a lot into those verses. Jesus simply said that those who reject the Gospel (and its messengers) would be punished severely. Matthew 10:15 Same in Matthew 11 - They were not accepting Christ, even after seeing mighty works. It has nothing to do with those Israelites who were committed to their traditions and the Pharisees with their religiosity and strict moralism.

All I've been able to find illustrates that there was a period of time when centurions were forbidden to marry. If they did marry they had to be granted permission by their superiors.

The Marriage of Roman Soldiers (13 B.C.-A.D. 235): Law and Family in the Imperial Army (Columbia Studies in the Classical Tradition)
by Sara Elise Phang

MissBrattified · #**124** 04-01-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Antipas

All I've been able to find illustrates that there was a period of time when centurions were forbidden to marry. I they did marry they had to be granted permission by their superiors.

The Marriage of Roman Soldiers (13 B.C.-A.D. 235): Law and Family in the Imperial Army (Columbia Studies in the Classical Tradition)
by Sara Elise Phang

I understand their point. I just think that:

1. It's quite a leap to assume that simply because they weren't married that they were gay, and

2. That calling a servant "dear" means "lover." According to Strong's, the word simply means "valued."

The only other thing I read was that the word used for "servant" in the greek was a word commonly used for "same sex lover", but there were no real sources provided, so I don't think I'm buying it.

Antipas · #**125** 04-01-2008, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by James Griffin

Must come as quite a shock to the Jews who sent their kids to synagogue.

Religious schools are acceptable. The key is that it is a parent's responsibility to have their children educated and brought up in the fear and admonition of the Lord. Sending children to the public schools in our country is definitely outside of God's standards as given to parents.

Antipas · #**126** 04-01-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I understand their point. I just think that:

1. It's quite a leap to assume that simply because they weren't married that they were gay, and

2. That calling a servant "dear" means "lover." According to Strong's, the word simply means "valued."

The only other thing I read was that the word used for "servant" in the greek was a word commonly used for "same sex lover", but there were no real sources provided, so I don't think I'm buying it.

Yes. I'd like to see it in the Greek source itself to be absolutely certain.

But, knowing what we know about Roman culture it wouldn't be a great leap to accept that the centurion was involved in ungodliness.

MissBrattified · #**127** 04-01-2008, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Antipas

Yes. I'd like to see it in the Greek source itself to be absolutely certain.

But, knowing what we know about Roman culture it wouldn't be a great leap to accept that the centurion was involved in ungodliness.

Yes, I agree; Romans weren't known for their morality.

Antipas · #**128** 04-01-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Yes, I agree; Romans weren't known for their morality.

And if we accept that the odds are good that Roman centurion had an immoral relationship, Christ's actions give us an example as to how to treat them.

nahkoe · #**129** 04-01-2008, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Antipas

Religious schools are acceptable. The key is that it is a parent's responsibility to have their children educated and brought up in the fear and admonition of the Lord. Sending children to the public schools in our country is definitely outside of God's standards as given to parents.

And who's paying for the religious schools?

FWIW, I've always homeschooled my kids. Until this last year. I did not choose to be a single parent. I did not choose to be left to support 4 kids alone. I did homeschool them for 2 years after my divorce. I am not, however, capable of doing everything. I can not afford religious school, I can not afford to homeschool. They're in public school for now, and most likely will be for a good while.

James Griffin · #**130** 04-01-2008, 01:38 PM

Personally my God is greater than the school system. My kids not only went to public school, they thrived.

They were involved in Bible studies and prayer groups.

The first year my daughter attempted to sing a Christian song in the talent show, they tried to stop her and only backed down after threat from a lawsuit from yours truly.

By her senior year nearly half of the songs were overtly Christian.

Jesus did not call us to an isolationist lifestyle and hide behind monastery walls.

IF you think the local school system is corrupt, take it back.

My God is able.

Yours?