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Old 02-27-2008, 11:02 AM
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You mean I have to choose between the UPC and the NRA??????
Hard choice.

How will the UPC enforce this when the membership of the WPF has not yet been published? At Tulsa, there were only six members - the exec. council.
While they claim several hundred now, only they know the names. How will the UPC (at this point) know who carries more than one fellowship card???
Add it to the AS? "...and I do not carry any other cards".

The UPC leadership has not handled this well from the beginning, IMHO.


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The pruning process will take time SL ... of course ... but the lines are drawn and that's what will exacerbate this situation.
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Old 02-27-2008, 11:06 AM
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DT, this is the wierdest thing.

JJ is a man who is well respected (and rightfully so) in the org. but at the same time, it seems he is kind of a forgotten element.

It seems his name always comes up, just somewhere in the bottom half of the names being mentioned.

It is odd to me but none the less, true.

I think he will likely always be a factor of some kind, but never the guy.
Forgotten but runs the day-to-day operations.
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Old 02-27-2008, 11:08 AM
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Forgotten but runs the day-to-day operations.
He'll probably be more happy with his reward in heaven than any he might get here anyway. Come to think of it... being GS of the UPCI isn't my idea of a great reward. But I guess that depends on how you look at it. Some would say it would be a privilege, I would say it'd be more stress than I need.
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Old 02-27-2008, 11:10 AM
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Another feasible theory floating around is that DRAWING THE LINES is exactly what progressives want and only solidfies their plans for the future. The Trojan Horse theory.

KH and the men who will make up the leadership in the next generation have been frustrated by many of these UCs because they have been held back from being as progressive as they want to be. (Of course we can't use liberal in the OP sense of the word)

By forcing these guys out, and lets assume the number is conservatively 200, this effectively builds a stronger voting bloc for progressive ideas.

The TV vote had what? 2500 ministers voting? The split was 49% 51%? It passed by a slim majority of about 80 votes.

Change those numbers by 200 and the progressives have a lock to further their agenda.
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Old 02-27-2008, 11:16 AM
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In politics typically liberals are "dovish" and conservatives are "hawks" although within that paradigm there exists degrees of hawkishness or dovishness as in the last few years the "neo con" wing of the Republican party are more "hawkish" than some others in the party. I fully understand the meaning of the words Dan.
I meant it to describe those in the meeting pushing hard for this as houw you exemplified. See bolded.
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Old 02-27-2008, 11:16 AM
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DT, this is the wierdest thing.

JJ is a man who is well respected (and rightfully so) in the org. but at the same time, it seems he is kind of a forgotten element.

It seems his name always comes up, just somewhere in the bottom half of the names being mentioned.

It is odd to me but none the less, true.

I think he will likely always be a factor of some kind, but never the guy.
that makes sense, i mean not literally but your explanation would also match my understanding, it was always that way with bro becton too, know what i mean, and i loved him, bro becton that is, dt
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Old 02-27-2008, 11:20 AM
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He'll probably be more happy with his reward in heaven than any he might get here anyway. Come to think of it... being GS of the UPCI isn't my idea of a great reward. But I guess that depends on how you look at it. Some would say it would be a privilege, I would say it'd be more stress than I need.
IMO, JJ is very ambitious, Lady LPW. Nor do I doubt his commitment to serve.
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Old 02-27-2008, 11:24 AM
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Straightline, if there is any integrity at all with the men signing up with the WWPF, they will simply drop their UPCI affliliation based on this decision.

to a man, these guys have spoken loudly and often about the lack of integrity in the men who sign the Infernal Document but own Televisions.

I cannot see how a single one of these men can live with themselves if they violate the rule in the UPCI, considering their view of the UPCIs rules in the past.

and that is as straight a line as you can draw!
ooo ... that there is a conundrum ... the rule of law crowd now will have to eat some crow.
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Old 02-27-2008, 11:33 AM
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He'll probably be more happy with his reward in heaven than any he might get here anyway. Come to think of it... being GS of the UPCI isn't my idea of a great reward. But I guess that depends on how you look at it. Some would say it would be a privilege, I would say it'd be more stress than I need.
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IMO, JJ is very ambitious, Lady LPW. Nor do I doubt his commitment to serve.
I don't doubt his ambition or commitment to serve either, but I do doubt he's crying himself to sleep at night because he's not GS. I can't see him being driven to be in power... he doesn't strike me as that type at all.

Our DS is a very committed man, who serves us to the best of his ability. But he only took the DS job (for the second time, after being off that duty for a few years) because that was what the brethren wanted. I imagine JJ would accept the GS position if voted in, and serve well.
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Old 02-27-2008, 11:34 AM
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I think "ambition" can be a good thing in the right dose. It is those who let ambition become the focus of their lives that end up in a ditch.
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