Okay, when we spend taxpaying dollars for them to go to college, watch movies, have a rec room, and excersize equipment (among other things), its like not being in prison. Just because they have a fence with barbed wire on top, doesn't mean that they aren't treated well. I understand that it costs taxpayers $30,000.00 to house one prisoner for a year, this is justice?
Have you ever even visited a prison?
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Psa 119:165 (KJV) 165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
"Do not believe everthing you read on the internet" - Abe Lincoln
Okay, when we spend taxpaying dollars for them to go to college, watch movies, have a rec room, and excersize equipment (among other things), its like not being in prison. Just because they have a fence with barbed wire on top, doesn't mean that they aren't treated well. I understand that it costs taxpayers $30,000.00 to house one prisoner for a year, this is justice?
Dear BrotherEastman
I believe you may be expanding the argument slightly to include all prisoners. You know in old England there were two types of crimes misdemeanors and felonies much like we have today. The difference was death was the only punishment for felonies. It did not matter if it were rape, robbery, or merely pouching one of the king's deer.
As far as them being treated well, they are not. Perhaps a tour or two in a real prison ministry would change the view which is acquired by watching tele er sorry, by watching videos.
Also as a "christian" nation (which I would maintain we no longer are but that would be a topic for a different thread) are you honestly proposing that rehabilitation should be totally foregone??
Without vocational training, counseling, and the such how could you possibly hope that there would not be repeat offense??
Without being foolishly naive on the one hand, is it impossible to show love on the other?
I believe you may be expanding the argument slightly to include all prisoners. You know in old England there were two types of crimes misdemeanors and felonies much like we have today. The difference was death was the only punishment for felonies. It did not matter if it were rape, robbery, or merely pouching one of the king's deer.
As far as them being treated well, they are not. Perhaps a tour or two in a real prison ministry would change the view which is acquired by watching tele er sorry, by watching videos.
Also as a "christian" nation (which I would maintain we no longer are but that would be a topic for a different thread) are you honestly proposing that rehabilitation should be totally foregone??
Without vocational training, counseling, and the such how could you possibly hope that there would not be repeat offense??
Without being foolishly naive on the one hand, is it impossible to show love on the other?
As far as rehabilitation and/or punishment, our prison systems doesn't do either adequately.
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Psa 119:165 (KJV) 165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
"Do not believe everthing you read on the internet" - Abe Lincoln
Very cool! You know he is really too good to be true. Could there be a possibility that he may be a set up? I mean what a nice candidate.
He is the first candidate that I ever wanted to meet.
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
The repentant thief was not a murderer. So I fail to see your point.
Sin is sin, there are no levels to sin. Man places a level to sin, but God just calls all sin wicked. Brother Eastman, if the thief never repented, would he have been anymore less lost than a murderer?
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
Is it in the realm of possibility that God would use being convicted and sentence to death as a means to bring some lost soul face to face with the reality that they do indeed need Jesus?
Could being put to death after obeying the gospel be a means to a sure salvation because they never got the chance to go back to their old ways?
Are we really showing mercy by letting them go free, when they might meet with death by going back to the old life style before they had a repented?
My Brother I have a hard time with anyone who hurts children, and in my thinking that is a crime that eclipses any other, but all sin is sin to the Lord.
Children cannot choose who they have as parents and child abuse is widespread in this country. I'm devoted to a life of non-violence and must adhere to the Biblical teaching. All who are worthy of death are worthy to be saved from the penalty of eternal death.
There was a woman who axed murdered a woman who was at the wrong place at the wrong time all because her and her boyfriend owned a motorcycle that the axe-murdering woman and her boyfriend wanted. The two killers killed the two people in cold blood. The woman with the axe got sentenced to death row, and she pleaded for an appeal, and she had said that she became a reborn denominational Christian, and therefore she was rehabilitated from her past life of being a blood thirsty killer.
My opinion was this, if GOD wanted to save her from the death penalty He would have that happen, but if He did not she should be happy to go to the electric chair and die and go on to be with the Lord.
I believe that Jail ministry should continue and the Lord bless all the men and women of the Apostolic Faith who preach in prisons across the world.
Every soul they save is another soul who is freed spiritually. I would rather see individuals repent and live for God behind bars than have to be put to death.
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
In one particular case, those who were without sin were to cast the first stone! But technically, this was before the new covenant. Oh, well.
In the new covenant, we have a case where God Himself executed two people: Ananias and Sapphira. Perhaps that should be the final answer? Let God do the killing, if and when it is warranted?
Let God take care of it, I agree.
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
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