Really? I can think of lots of things "much worse". The stigma attached to homosexuality in the Christian community, I think, has more to do with our culture and upbringing THAN any kind of inherent wickedness of the practice itself.
Culture and upbringing? We are not ancient Greeks or Egyptians so I think that by being raised in a country that has somewhat of a Christian ethic the people would be repulsed by sexual perversions. When it becomes the norm and Christians start making excuses for that kind of twisted behavior It is the warning sign that our culture is collapsing.
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Yes, there is scripture condemning it. But why? I can see the logic in forbidding many things, such as murder, incest, rape, lying, stealing, etc. But homosexuality is different. It seems to be a law for the sake of itself. A test, just to see if we obey, perhaps?
They were called sodomites before they were ever called homosexuals.
It's perversion and anti-social behavior and will bring down any society who accepts it as normal.
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The whole thing about it being a "threat" to the family: I don't buy it.
It's against the family as to redefine what family is, and what family is not.
Perverts adopting children, getting married and ultimately teaching public schools? Wait we already have them teaching in public schools!
That's a good reason to home school!
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How does it harm my family, if two men down the street are "married" or living together?
How about if everyone in your town are perverts? We are not talking about a different race of people; we are talking about perverts deeply involved in sexual depravity. It's not a case just about two deviants living together, but as society that has no problem with that and the greater tragedy is that there are Christians who have no issue with it either.
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Nothing they do, in the privacy of their home,
Please, please, please, that is not so. They are not a normal couple of June Clever and her husband mowing the lawn with pipe clenched in his teeth.
You will have Bob, and William prancing around their yard and kissing each other now and then, and sitting on their porch watching the sunset, and maybe Biff coming over with his partner Chad, but wait Chad's a cross-dresser, and he hasn't lost his beard yet. The only thing that will produce is sicker behavior in your community. The only thing you can teach your children is that what those men are doing down the block is demonically wrong. Those men need to repent.
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can possibly prevent me from having a healthy, monogamous, heterosexual relationship with my wife.
Tim what about your children? You need to pray for revival in a society that has sick degenerates living down the road from you. You need to pray that the society will turn from such a course of debauchery
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Those guys are no threat, whatsoever.
Problem is they multiply. You need to pray against that sickness and pray that your friendly neighbor to repent through snot bubble and tears.
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Yes, the activists can get carried away, but it's no more than an annoyance, unless they rioted or something.
Do yourself a favor research the Stonewall riots. Please Tim, please.
They are not a race, they're perverts who need God worse than the breath of life.
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That's another matter, and it's wrong for good reason. But if they get laws passed allowing gay marriage, so what?
Good attitude, and you can just wait until they get laws to lower the age of consent. When a society opens up the flood gates and starts to mess around with moral laws you will rue the day that you said "so what?"
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It doesn't force me to become gay!
It might compel little Timmy Jr.
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Seriously, I don't get the outrage or the alarm. Or why it's so incredibly evil. Someone explain it to me.
Timmy the whole thing about being a threat to the family is a boondoggle. Nobody that I know thinks that is the real bad part of homosexuality. Romans 1 clearly outlines why this is so much more dangerous than just about anything else, it twists ones thinking in such a way that it becomes extremely difficult to believe ANY truth.
OK, so let me get this straight. (No pun intended!) You say it is more dangerous that just about anything else. Esther can't think of anything much worse. My way of thinking disturbs CS. OK, so, it would apparently be hard for me to list sins that you think are worse, or more "dangerous" as you say, than homosexuality. Let me try, anyway.
Murder.
Rape.
Incest.
Child molesting.
Do any of these come close to the wickedness of homosexuality?
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OK, so let me get this straight. (No pun intended!) You say it is more dangerous that just about anything else. Esther can't think of anything much worse. My way of thinking disturbs CS. OK, so, it would apparently be hard for me to list sins that you think are worse, or more "dangerous" as you say, than homosexuality. Let me try, anyway.
Murder.
Rape.
Incest.
Child molesting.
Do any of these come close to the wickedness of homosexuality?
Timmy homosexuality covers all three you have mentioned, and the jail system is jam packed full with Homosexuals who have gotten out of control.
Most serial killers killed more men, and young boys then women, look that up.
You are willing to let your children play with a Pitbull that the owner has fed it gunpowder and sooner than later someone is going to get hurt.
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OK, so let me get this straight. (No pun intended!) You say it is more dangerous that just about anything else. Esther can't think of anything much worse. My way of thinking disturbs CS. OK, so, it would apparently be hard for me to list sins that you think are worse, or more "dangerous" as you say, than homosexuality. Let me try, anyway.
Murder.
Rape.
Incest.
Child molesting.
Do any of these come close to the wickedness of homosexuality?
does child molesting qualify for hurting a little one as perscribed by Jesus? I think so, and clearly it ranks right at the top....
Timmy, clearly where hurting someone is concerned, things get very complicated. but when it comes to God and redemption, people that hurt others still dont have the tremendous hurdle to over come that sexual sin causes.
There is a turning of the mind completley different associated with homosexuality than with any other sin. Now where one crosses a line into any sexual perversion ie. molestation or rape, i think the same may in some way apply.
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The definition is faulty because legalism is event driven not principle driven. A legalist thinks it's television is pure evil, but the internet is okay even though pornography is easier to get on the internet than on television.
THere are similarities between homosexuality and legalism. The definition you propose is a lofty ideal which will never be acheived because there is always a human element involved.
I got the definition from the dictionary. The one you propose is not in there. Someone that thinks TV is evil is not necessarily then a legalist. There might be another word for it. A legalist could see it that way though, but not necessarily because they are legalists.
I have even known Atheists that refuse to have TVs in their home and yet used a computer to access the internet.
I don't see the similarities. However it's not to hard to find similarities between many things.
One person feels they can find similarities between Mithra and Christianity and makes a big deal out of that
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