UPCI's Randy Hollis Throws Down the Gauntlet: The Emancipation of Isaac

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Felicity

You're a little mixed up PO. LOL.

You don't have to speak in tongues to be regenerated but when you receive the baptism of the Spirit as the believers and disciples did on the DOP then you will speak in tongues. Absolutely.

Okay, well, the way ya'll explain that is a little confusing anyway. LOL! Thanks though.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Okay, well, the way ya'll explain that is a little confusing anyway. LOL! Thanks though.

I don't think so. Daniel nailed ya the other day as a PCIer at heart as are most in the OP movement. Like the maid said to Peter........ "your speech betrays you."

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sister when you and TB, get to General Conference you all need to shout!

This is what we sing in service down here in Fort Lauderdale Florida.

We are happy people yes were are

We are happy people yes were are

Been baptized in Jesus Name

Spoke in tongues when the Holy Ghost came

We are happy people yes we are.

Holy Ghost!

I will in prayer for you and TB, to get some shouting underway.

Do you use a tambourine when you are praising God? Maybe picking up the tambourine and then taking off and running around the pews will get you happy!


Lord bless you Sister.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

I can praise God anywhere and I'm sure I will at GC. (but I don't do tambourines just to let you know. )

Are you going to be there Bro. Ben?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Felicity

I don't think so. Daniel nailed ya the other day as a PCIer at heart as are most in the OP movement. Like the maid said to Peter........ "your speech betrays you."

I'm not sure we clarified anything, save one point on baptism. I can't rightfully concede because I don't know the whole PCI stance for myself.

[Charlie Brown]

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown

I think the balance of the "Principle Only" issue that some of you are pushing is that unless it is also taught how to apply that principle into ones life, the principle itself will not do the hearer any good.

If we teach the principle of modesty and never illustrate what modest vs immodest is, we are fooling ourselves if we think folks are going to just show up modest. I am not saying you gotta beat folks over the head, but sin must be identified clearly. Otherwise every man will simply do what is right in his own eye's.

The balance of principle is application.

Originally Posted by tbpew

But if the application is determined by any one other than the hearer it is not the hearer's heart at work; being manifested. The only thing being revealed is the hearer's willingness to OBEY the rule/application provider.

All the law is FULLFILLED by two commandments; LOVE GOD, LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR. Please Charlie, please start listing the RULES THAT will enable me to properly apply that PRINCIPLE.

I submit...YOU CAN NOT. Because your rules do not know my heart, thus your applications can not safeguard MY HEART.

God is building his church within the individual hearts of men. We, as his bondservants, are mostly to aid in the safeguarding of the very young, the babes in Christ. I accept that to a babe you give ultra refined nurishment but growth will not continue for very long without letting them DIGEST their own food.

So Chuck, I respectfully disagree.

No human, serving as a bondservant of the Lord, can establish uniformity within the membership of God's own body, he and he alone does the work.

TB,

2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.


Are you telling me that the preacher cannot by scripture declare sound doctrine, reprove sin, correct false ways, and instruct in right living??

What are preachers for? What is the Word of God for??


As to showing you the application of LOVE, it is simple. If you LOVE God, you will keep his commandments. If you LOVE your neighbor, you will treat him as you would be treated.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I'm not sure we clarified anything, save one point on baptism. I can't rightfully concede because I don't know the whole PCI stance for myself.

There was enough clarification for the nailing. Not really asking for concession or profession or anything really.

Repent, be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sin and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. When the NT believers received the Holy Ghost as we think of it they spoke in tongues as do we all.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Felicity

There was enough clarification for the nailing. Not really asking for concession or profession or anything really.

Repent, be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sin and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. When the NT believers received the Holy Ghost as we think of it they spoke in tongues as do we all.

Okay, then you are saying the differentiation is on the baptizing that Daniel was discussing?

I think all points - repentance, baptism and Holy Ghost must be applied to go on to perfection in order to be saved.

But, I've gotta run.

[Felicity]

Just as well you have to run. We are "off topic". Can't figure out what on earth your post where you brought this up had to do with Bro. Ben's post to me anyhow.

Oh well.............

[tbpew]

Charlie Brown,
God has provided guides that edify the assembly from experience, wisdom, and as examples of a life the demonstrates the witness of ITim 3 and Titus 1.

If the law, or rules, or applications, could make a man righteous, Christ died in vain.

It's all about the transforming power of the Holy Spirit to cause the soul of a man to deny carnal-mindedness and serve spiritual-mindedness.

If you think conduct can be constrained, fine. Maybe, just maybe it can. But all the changed conduct in the world won't change the thoughts of that man who looks upon a woman with lust in his heart. So along comes a preacher with specific rules and applications, at best these kind of things only conceal the matter from those who look on the outward, nothing changes in the heart, the appetite, the desire.

I need the Spirit to lead me, teach me, and change me concerning all truth that bears witness within my inner man.

Others will put their trust in a man to lead them.

It's all about individuals making choices based in the desires that are at work within them.

Wouldn't it be great, if the primary purpose of those gifting ministeries that God has provided his church, actually approach their calling as a call to bear witness, to share the truth of the principles they have received from the Word, and then let each anointed member of God's body decide what they will follow.

If people follow a man, they are trusting a man.
If people follow the Spirit, they have put their trust in God.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by tbpew

Charlie Brown,
God has provided guides that should edify the assembly from experience, wisdom and as and example of a life the demonstrates the witness of ITim 3 and Titus 1.

If the law/rule/applications could make a man righteous, Christ died in vain.

It's all about the transforming power of the Holy Spirit to cause the soul of a man to deny carnal-mindedness and serve spiritual-mindedness.

If you think conduct can be constrained, fine. Maybe, just maybe it can. But all the changed conduct in the world won't change the thoughts of the man who looks upon a woman with lust in his heart. And all the preacher-spawned applications will, at best, conceal the matter from only those who look on the outward.

I need the Spirit to lead me, teach me, and change me concerning all truth that bears witness within my inner man.

Others will put their trust in a man to lead them.

It's all about individuals making choices based in their desires.

Wouldn't it be great, if the primary purpose of those gifting ministeries that God has provided his church, actually approach their calling as a call to bear witness, to share the truth of the principles they have received from the Word, and then let each anointed member of God's body decide what they will follow.

If people follow a man, they are trusting a man.
If people follow the Spirit, they have put their trust in God.

Ding ... ding ... ding ... we have a winner.