The Current PAJC Beliefs

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

SE, do you have scripture that says the Word is conceived in our hearts and is simply a seed planted in our hearts at repentance and therefore the believer must go through a gestation period before he can be born again?

Do analogies count?

[tv1a]

Yes, but that doesn't contradict anything. There is no suggestion the oil costs anything. There were 5 foolish virgins who decidied not keep their lamps "full" or immersed.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Didn't you just finish saying that being filled w/ the Holy Ghost is a free gift???

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

SE, do you have scripture that says the Word is conceived in our hearts and is simply a seed planted in our hearts at repentance and therefore the believer must go through a gestation period before he can be born again?

No he does not...those are just preconceived notions that sound so kewl to him...

[Sam]

Originally Posted by tv1a

I know Sam attempted to answer the question, but I see some flaws in the explaination. Other questions as my tired mind attempts to disemninate the info...

Were the five foolish virgins in pilot light mode when they missed the bridegroom?

Ten virgins/bridesmaids went to meet the bride and groom. These ladies were not the bride. There were not 10 potential brides but only 5 of them actually married the groom. Some of the bridesmaids went to the wedding and some did not. Those who did not were not prepared. I don't think (my opinion only) that oil here represents the Holy Spirit. My pastor taught that the lamp was the word (Ps 119:105) and the oil was faith. Their faith failed them or ran out. I don't know if that is what the parable means or not. There may just be a general lesson here of preparedness or you will miss out on what God is doing. There might not be an interpretation for each detail of the story. The bridesmaids may be Israel and how some of Israel misses out on participating/attending the wedding of Christ and His Bride.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Holy Ghost or hell!

And some proud to "send" them there with their lips....

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Felicity

So then according to your definition here we're all conservatives because we all believe this regardless what doctrinal persuasion we hold to about any number of things.

The truth is until we come to understand the inescapable love of God, we will continue to blow about how right we are, and how everyone that is not just like us has missed it.

In contrast to EP's declaration I will make a biblical declaration: SINCE CALVARY NOT ONE SIN HAS BEEN IMPUTED TO ANY HUMAN BEING THAT HAS EVERY LIVED! That's right God does not count your sins against you, BECAUSE EVERY TIME HE LOOKS AT YOU HE IS LOOKING THRU THE SIN CLEANSING BLOOD OF JESUS! JUST LIKE WHEN ADAM SINNED SIN WAS IMPUTED TO EVERY HUMAN BEING THAT WAS EVER BORN. WHEN JESUS BLOOD WAS SHED EVERY SIN WAS PAID FOR, AND YOU WERE MADE RIGHTEOUS.

Romans 4.5 "But to him who DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES on Him who justifies the UNGODLY, his FAITH is accounted for righteousness, just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness APART FROM WORKS.

Steve, it time to read Romans as well as Acts, there is much more to scripture than "apostolic" pet verses. The whole counsel of God, is to seek and to save that which is lost. They are lost to the LIFE of God not to some "hellhole" of human imagination.

[tv1a]

Some interesting observations, but if oil always represented the annointing of the Spirit throught out scripture, why would the analogy change for one parable. Is there solid biblical evidence or is this speculation?

Originally Posted by Sam

Ten virgins/bridesmaids went to meet the bride and groom. These ladies were not the bride. There were not 10 potential brides but only 5 of them actually married the groom. Some of the bridesmaids went to the wedding and some did not. Those who did not were not prepared. I don't think (my opinion only) that oil here represents the Holy Spirit. My pastor taught that the lamp was the word (Ps 119:105) and the oil was faith. Their faith failed them or ran out. I don't know if that is what the parable means or not. There may just be a general lesson here of preparedness or you will miss out on what God is doing. There might not be an interpretation for each detail of the story. The bridesmaids may be Israel and how some of Israel misses out on participating/attending the wedding of Christ and His Bride.

[Felicity]

I have never viewed this parable as valuable or instructional re the doctrine of salvation.

A person can be backslid whether they have ever received the Holy Ghost and spoken in tongues or not. And that's what this parable is teaching ....... that if you grow cold spiritually and allow the Spirit of God to seep out of your life that you can end up lost.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Felicity

According to many PAJCers if you don't follow the holiness standards you still ain't saved regardless of whether you've completed Steps 1-3 or not.

You seriously have to wonder sometimes if and when the poor souls ever get to go to heaven because there are so many steps.

Wow....what troubling news...and this is called the "good news" of the gospel??? Oy vey...

[tv1a]

g-nite all... I'm only going to get 4 hours of sleep. I hope you pci'ers don't take my questions as condemning your positions. I'm trying to understand the validity of your views. I do that by asking questions.