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06-26-2015, 01:31 PM
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Re: Effective evangelists?
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The question was about prophets -- not kings and priests. Nor was it about organizations.
You should know the difference between a person who has the gift of prophecy and a person who is an actual prophet. I find it odd that you don't since you claim to have been around so long.
A person who utters a prophecy is given a vision or a dream for a moment for whatever reason... but that does not make them a prophet.
A prophet is someone who sees things. They have visions and dreams, but they see a lot of things that are coming. They feel the heart of God on the matter. They are sent to warn individuals, groups of people, even cities. Their main battle cry is "Repent".
Goodness, you should see the difference in the two.. We have plenty examples of prophets in the Bible. Pay close attention to Jeremiah, everything he is about, everything he went through, and the messages he delivered.
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I think all of Gods' saints are Holy Ghost filled and able to be used in ANY gift that the Lord wants to use them in....
You are looking at the O.T. and folks that DID NOT have the Holy Ghost, then equating the O.T. prophets with the Spirit Filled saints....bad analogy sis.
This "O.T. prophet" concept comes from traditional emulations of super-prophets these days by cowled down saints.
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06-26-2015, 01:34 PM
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Re: Effective evangelists?
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No one here has argued against prophesying. Stop bringing up straw men.  |
No, just exhorting someone that has never done it.(read back a few posts).....
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Re: Effective evangelists?
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No, they need to do it though.
Need to? Where in the bible does it ever say that a person needs to prophesy.... I wish I had prophesied... but i haven't... don't think I need to either....
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06-26-2015, 01:36 PM
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Re: Effective evangelists?
Just exhorting him to prophecy like Paul would have, if he lived in the 1st century.....1 cor 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
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06-26-2015, 02:02 PM
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06-26-2015, 02:23 PM
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Re: Effective evangelists?
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I think all of Gods' saints are Holy Ghost filled and able to be used in ANY gift that the Lord wants to use them in....
You are looking at the O.T. and folks that DID NOT have the Holy Ghost, then equating the O.T. prophets with the Spirit Filled saints....bad analogy sis.
This "O.T. prophet" concept comes from traditional emulations of super-prophets these days by cowled down saints.
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Not a bad analogy at all. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the way God operates with his prophets changed. Even John the Baptist, operated the same.
Plus, I am not talking about the use of gifts, but the difference between a prophet and someone who is used in the gift of prophecy.
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06-26-2015, 02:45 PM
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Re: Effective evangelists?
So you are saying that someone that prophecies is not a prophet?
If so, how do you draw that conclusion...I mean, who says?
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06-26-2015, 02:56 PM
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Re: Effective evangelists?
Try these 2 points of view.....
One point of view....
Apostles(big name)....maybe 5 on planet earth today.
Prophets(big name).....maybe 50 on planet earth today.
Evangelists(big name)....maybe 5000 on planet earth today.
Pastor/Teachers(big name) maybe 50, 000 on planet earth today....
This is "generally" what we have been taught by the clergy to traditionally think of .(by emulating the 4/5 fold ministry and not coveting the gifts, but letting others be used as we observe them).
Now try this.....Point #2
Apostles(rarely known)....as many as the Lord see's fit to accomplish His goals.
Prophets(rarely known)....as many as the Lord see's fit to accomplish His goals.
Evangelists(rarely known)...as many as the Lord see's fit to accomplish His goals.
Pastors/Teachers(rarely known)...as many as the Lord see's fit to accomplish His goals......(all these offices consist of everyday, Spirit filled saints, and cannot be numbered by man)
Point #1 makes carnal man the judge/administrator of our Lords' offices of administration....
Point #2 lets God(solely) decide who and how many are needed for the task.(the gifts decide the office)
Point #1 is filled with emulations of men...
Point #2 is letting God do whatever He wants and giving the gifted the benefit of the doubt(childlike faith in the invisible kingdom of God, without trying to control it or buck against it)
Is the 4/5 fold ministry an "elite" group of rare individuals or meant to be more common in the ranks of Spirit filled saints than we realize?
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06-26-2015, 03:56 PM
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Re: Effective evangelists?
Here are 4 Spirit filled, 1st century prophets(esses)(not teaching or usurping authority over men)....
Acts 21:9 And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.
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06-26-2015, 04:16 PM
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Re: Effective evangelists?
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Originally Posted by ApostolicKitty
The question was about prophets -- not kings and priests. Nor was it about organizations.
You should know the difference between a person who has the gift of prophecy and a person who is an actual prophet. I find it odd that you don't since you claim to have been around so long.
A person who utters a prophecy is given a vision or a dream for a moment for whatever reason... but that does not make them a prophet.
A prophet is someone who sees things. They have visions and dreams, but they see a lot of things that are coming. They feel the heart of God on the matter. They are sent to warn individuals, groups of people, even cities. Their main battle cry is "Repent".
Goodness, you should see the difference in the two.. We have plenty examples of prophets in the Bible. Pay close attention to Jeremiah, everything he is about, everything he went through, and the messages he delivered.
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06-26-2015, 04:33 PM
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Re: Effective evangelists?
Here is another "unknown prophet" that is a friend of mine.......
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...y0W7JOPrEpJlEg
He prayed for my brother in law, who was instantly healed of a serious back injury(my bro. in law/pastor was stuck hunched over)....he is a "commoner" and is not accepted in the UPC churches for using the gifts in various denominal churches.(whoever calls him)
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