Islamic Prayers at the Vatican

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Luke

No for there is but one true God...

and how many Names does God have?

Originally Posted by Luke

and any other that is sought after weather it be one or many will not lead one to the truth.

How do you know? This amounts to saying, "I know all the Names of God." The Ninevites are disagreeing with you here, i think. You've been to seminary, huh--i can tell.

John 14: 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

And how many Names has Christ? You must know that "Love" is one of them? Forget completely all that death-centered yack they taught you, Luke--they had ulterior motives.

Originally Posted by Luke

Also as the old hymn says:

" There is just one way to the pearly gate,
To the crown of life and the friends who wait;
’Tis the old Cross Road, or the way called “Straight”—
There is just one way to the pearly gate."

and yet, i don't hear crosses being picked up here; but fingers pointed; "not them." worse yet, i hear an implied, "US, not them." ok

Originally Posted by Luke

I do know God as it is His desire for us to know Him therefore He reveals Himself to us for that there is plent of scripture. God invites us to come unto Him and to learn of Him nowhere does He forbid us to know Him or say that we cannot know Him.

yes, Luke; God reveals Himself to those who love Him. And wadr, those who love Him exhibit certain characteristics. There are also plenty of Scriptures to back up that you can not, ever, "know" God, which you approach in your final sentence. You know, on some level, that God exists. You "know" God.

Originally Posted by Luke

If however you mean that i as a human cannot fully comprehend all that God is in his infinitness then you are correct that our minds cannot grasp all that He is. He however has revealed to us WHO He is.

Yes. The Unknown God, The One--and not the many, other gods that exist. But you have been trained that this must, ergo, then mean that your translators, that taught you their definitions, have the Spirit down to a 't,' and anyone who says that they have found God outside of that little inbred model are in error--despite many, many parables to the contrary. C'mon, Luke--you have a flock, yes? Could you de-sphincterize the Word just the slightest little bit? If you will but acknowledge that the devil is in the details--one detail being that you signed a promise to preach all that...whatever, despite any future revelations that may be to the contrary, you will begin to see what was stolen from you.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by oneinkhorn

Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God? George W. Bush settles the argument and also explains who goes to Heaven.

even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then...

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Luke

A false demon god not the God of the Bible.

And yet it shares the name god nonetheless...

[shazeep]

The bottom line is, why don't we let God be the judge of that, being as how we cannot even rightly say that we "know God" ourselves. There are equally as many "Muslims" showing me the pagan origins of "EL." See that the very notion of discounting another's One God is demonstrating ignorance of God; particularly if that person is more loving than you are. While i am personally convinced that Allah is God to many Muslims, there are surely more "Muslims" who will cry "Allah" and not be heard, the same as Christians. It amounts to a control device, to keep us separated. It is satanic.

Now, by the same token, we live in a fallen world; i 'came to Christ' with this model--indirectly. I can't say that many, many others, with better hearts than mine maybe, did not come to Christ directly with our model. But I can say, from Scripture, that God does not care a whit about what religion you are; and that your religion is most likely an anchor, and not the good way. It is man's attempt to find God, with the best of human intentions, and doomed to failure.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by shazeep

and how many Names does God have?
How do you know? This amounts to saying, "I know all the Names of God." The Ninevites are disagreeing with you here, i think. You've been to seminary, huh--i can tell.

There is a general term "God" but this is defined by context and speaker. Thus we have the Christian God the islamist (demon) god along with the other (demon) gods of all other false religions. If you wounder why i call them demon gods I am just agreeing with the Apostle Paul:

1 Corinthians 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

There is His specific name Jehovah to which was added descriptive words in the old testament.

There is the name Jesus which we kow as God with us.

There is what some might call the title the Holy Ghost.

The ninevites had Jehovah preached to them and their repentance would have been to Jehovah not there wicked perverse gods. Therefore the ninevites agree with me.

Originally Posted by shazeep

John 14: 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

And how many Names has Christ? You must know that "Love" is one of them? Forget completely all that death-centered yack they taught you, Luke--they had ulterior motives.

So you pray to love? Do you ever pray to judgment, wrath, mercy or omniscince which are all attributes of God just as love is an attribute of God?

There is salvation in ONLY one name that is the name JESUS:

Acts 4:10 be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.


John10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

Originally Posted by shazeep

and yet, i don't hear crosses being picked up here; but fingers pointed; "not them." worse yet, i hear an implied, "US, not them." ok

There is no finger pointing going on here rather there is a loving warning that proclaims the truth that there is only one way to heaven and that way is Jesus. Are you saying that you believe that there are other ways?

Originally Posted by shazeep

yes, Luke; God reveals Himself to those who love Him. And wadr, those who love Him exhibit certain characteristics. There are also plenty of Scriptures to back up that you can not, ever, "know" God, which you approach in your final sentence. You know, on some level, that God exists. You "know" God.

He has revealed His existance to mankind.

The first of those chareacter istics is sorrow for sin the repentance which is followed up by love of the truth. There are NO scriptures that say we cannot know God. There are those that may say we cannot know all there is to know of God simply because we are finite and He is infinite but we can know who He is and what He is like and what He expects of us. With the afore mentioned knowledge of God there is no scripture (in context and not twisted) that disagrees.

Originally Posted by shazeep

Yes. The Unknown God, The One--and not the many, other gods that exist. But you have been trained that this must, ergo, then mean that your translators, that taught you their definitions, have the Spirit down to a 't,' and anyone who says that they have found God outside of that little inbred model are in error--despite many, many parables to the contrary. C'mon, Luke--you have a flock, yes? Could you de-sphincterize the Word just the slightest little bit? If you will but acknowledge that the devil is in the details--one detail being that you signed a promise to preach all that...whatever, despite any future revelations that may be to the contrary, you will begin to see what was stolen from you.

The unknown God is a name used by heathen pagans which Paul used to show how superstitious they were. We can know God. I do not base my doctrine upon what I told by men but rather upon the Bible God's ONE written revealed word.

Please name the Biblical parable that speaks of man finding God aside from or ourside of Jesus/the Bible.

I agree the devil is in the details or rather the devilis in the twisting of the details.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by jfrog

And yet it shares the name god nonetheless...

The devil is a master deciever and has from his fall sought to be God but he has and will continue to fail. The closest he can come is to the false little g rank.

When King Ahab and King Jehoshaphat were about to go attack the Syrians at Ramoth-gilead in 1Kings 22 Jehoshapat asked Ahab to enquire of the Lord through the prophets. Ahab called togather 400 men that were called prohets but Jehoshaphat asked for a prophet of the Lord. See Jehoshaphat knew what you are missing that just because something may seem to share a title or lay claim to a title they are not the same as the real thing.

Jesus also speaks of this when He said that many false Christ would come and claim to be Him but they were false even though they claimed His name and even though according to them they shared the same name.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by shazeep

even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then...

God settled that question long before President Bush existed:

1 Corinthians 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

[shazeep]

that seems to overlook that Allah is decidedly a Monotheistic God, just like "The Unknown God" of the Ninevites. Notice the plural at 'devils?' But in general, since even those who suppose themselves to be 'Christian' may cry "Lord, Lord," pointlessly, I would say that there are ways to know whether these...Ninevites, or Muslims...or even Masons, for that matter, actually worship the One True God or not--and these ways can't be faked--and that generalizations are pointless, and can only divide.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by shazeep

that seems to overlook that Allah is decidedly a Monotheistic God, just like "The Unknown God" of the Ninevites. Notice the plural at 'devils?' But in general, since even those who suppose themselves to be 'Christian' may cry "Lord, Lord," pointlessly, I would say that there are ways to know whether these...Ninevites, or Muslims...or even Masons, for that matter, actually worship the One True God or not--and these ways can't be faked--and that generalizations are pointless, and can only divide.

The alter to the unknown God was on wars hill outside of Athens Greece not in Ninevah.

Does the koran (the muslim book) deny that Jesus died on the cross and deny that Jesus was the Son of God?

[Revelationist]

Originally Posted by Luke

The alter to the unknown God was on wars hill outside of Athens Greece not in Ninevah.

Does the koran (the muslim book) deny that Jesus died on the cross and deny that Jesus was the Son of God?

Just like the Jews.