Simple I am a son-husband-uncle-nephew-etc those are unquie roles but I am ONE person. The exact opposite of what Trinitarianism teaches.
So, you're saying that one God, fulfilled three different roles, simultaneously.....
So, the Father, Son and Holy Ghost were eternally existent, and they were all God, all the time......
So, when Jesus died on the cross, did God die? Or did the spirit of God temporarily vacate his body? Or was the spirit of God in Jesus while he was dead in the tomb? And, when did God become Jesus, when Jesus was born? Or, was he the lamb slain from the beginning? But, the physical body didn't exist until Bethlehem.......
See how confusing it can be?
__________________ "Many people view their relationship with God like a "color by number" picture. It's easier to let someone else define the boundaries, tell them which blanks to fill in, and what color to use than it is for them to take a blank canvas and seek inspiration from the Source in order to paint their own masterpiece"
What motivates one to even WANT to think that so much of CHristianity is lost and going to hell over the godhead? What is it that makes one go so crazy over things like that? Is it pride maybe? The very human desire to be able to say you are "better" than someone else?
Far be it from me to want anyone to be lost. I dont. I understand people having the Holy Ghost and not understanding the Godhead as it was about 5 years among Protestant groups before I saw the great truth that Jesus is both the Father and the Son. HOWEVER in the light of what Jesus said in John 8:24 I could not in good conscience give someone assurance of final salvation if they do not believe "Unless ye believe that I am {he} you shall die in your sins".
Jesus was saying he was the Father they were seeking. They didnt get it.
You don't get it, He never said that He was His own Father. What He did say was that He was in His Father and His Father was in Him.
Joh 14:10 "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works. 11 "Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves.
12 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father.
Simple I am a son-husband-uncle-nephew-etc those are unquie roles but I am ONE person. The exact opposite of what Trinitarianism teaches.
You're not your own son are you? Are you and your son the same person? Of course you aren't. Neither was Jesus His own Father. And neither was the Father the Father who was pretending He was His own Son. Your version of the God results in a bipolar pretzel shaped God who wrestles with what He believes is multiple wills within Himself.
In truth the Trinitarians do NOT believe Jesus is God because they believe He is God the Son the second person of their fictional Trinity. Either He is God the Father revealed in flesh or a fake. There is no such being as God the Son.
In truth, oneness folks have two Jesus', one Jesus who is the Father (Jesus #1) and another Jesus (Jesus #2) who is the Son. Applying scripture quickly reveals this error of oneness pentecostalism.
Joh 17:1-5 Jesus (Jesus #2) spoke these things; and lifting up His (Jesus #2) eyes to heaven, He (Jesus #2) said, "Father (Jesus #1), the hour has come; glorify Your (Jesus #1) Son (Jesus #2), that the Son (Jesus #2) may glorify You (Jesus #1), even as You (Jesus #1) gave Him (Jesus #2) authority over all flesh, that to all whom You (Jesus #1) have given Him (Jesus #2), He (Jesus #1) may give eternal life. "This is eternal life, that they may know You (Jesus #1), the only true God (Jesus #1), and Jesus Christ (Jesus #2)whom You (Jesus #1) have sent. "I (Jesus #2) glorified You(Jesus #1) on the earth, having accomplished the work which You (Jesus #1) have given Me (Jesus #2) to do. "Now, Father (Jesus #1), glorify Me (Jesus #2) together with Yourself (Jesus #1), with the glory which I (Jesus #2) had with You (Jesus #1) before the world was.
Anyone who claims salvation but believes in a triune Godhead is in false doctrine & will not be saved unless delivered from that false doctrine.
All the law hangs on Hear O Isreal The Lord our God is ONE Lord.
Jesus Is Lord, and he said "except you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins"
So the gospel is "Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ and reject the Trinity for the remission of Sins and you shall receive the Holy Ghost speaking with tongues"?
Trinitarians believe Jesus is He.
BTW you are dead wrong. All the Law hangs on two commandments and yours was not one of them
You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
and
You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
You do err, not knowing the scriptures.....
Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the Law? Mat 22:37 Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment. Mat 22:39 And the second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
In truth, oneness folks have two Jesus', one Jesus who is the Father (Jesus #1) and another Jesus (Jesus #2) who is the Son. Applying scripture quickly reveals this error of oneness pentecostalism.
Joh 17:1-5 Jesus (Jesus #2) spoke these things; and lifting up His (Jesus #2) eyes to heaven, He (Jesus #2) said, "Father (Jesus #1), the hour has come; glorify Your (Jesus #1) Son (Jesus #2), that the Son (Jesus #2) may glorify You (Jesus #1), even as You (Jesus #1) gave Him (Jesus #2) authority over all flesh, that to all whom You (Jesus #1) have given Him (Jesus #2), He (Jesus #1) may give eternal life. "This is eternal life, that they may know You (Jesus #1), the only true God (Jesus #1), and Jesus Christ (Jesus #2)whom You (Jesus #1) have sent. "I (Jesus #2) glorified You(Jesus #1) on the earth, having accomplished the work which You (Jesus #1) have given Me (Jesus #2) to do. "Now, Father (Jesus #1), glorify Me (Jesus #2) together with Yourself (Jesus #1), with the glory which I (Jesus #2) had with You (Jesus #1) before the world was.
__________________ "Many people view their relationship with God like a "color by number" picture. It's easier to let someone else define the boundaries, tell them which blanks to fill in, and what color to use than it is for them to take a blank canvas and seek inspiration from the Source in order to paint their own masterpiece"
A false interpretation. The CONTEXT is that the Pharisees didn't know believe He was God. And you certainly have to believe Jesus is God to be saved. And trinitarians believe Jesus is God.
No the context is the Jews were asking Jesus
1. Where is your Father?
2. Who are you?
Its all about the doctrine of Christ. If Jesus was not the Father he was not the true Messiah.
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