Visited a non UPC church

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

They believe that God is one, yes. I believe God is one. The bible says God is one and they are bible believers so we all agree.

I'm not really ready to reveal the denomination because I don't want a bunch of opinions about it. I want to have a good exploration of it myself.

I'll give you a hint. The way Pentecostals are referred to as people of the name they are referred to as people of the book (bible) ... and google will not help you here

Well? Spill the beans! It's been over a week!

[houston]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Well? Spill the beans! It's been over a week!

She can't post on the Sabbath.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Well? Spill the beans! It's been over a week!

Church of God (Not the big denomination ones). Nice folks. Smaller (maybe 100) church pretty close to home (15 miles). Sabbath worship. Baptize in Jesus name.

They have classes for about 90 minutes before service. No teachers just facilitators, everyone participated. Bible study is given as homework for families during the week and then discussed during class. Then they have a 30 minute fellowship time and then service.So the whole deal is about 3 hours. Service included songs, hymns, praise, testimonies, prayer requests, preaching (chapters of bible read and then expounded on by a nice young man). They are currently without a preacher although the last one was there 20 plus years and left for health reasons... They just allow each person with a word to do the preaching part at this point until they get someone else 'official'. Once a month they also have a potluck dinner together after service. They have folks that live close to one another that meet in homes mid-week to do the homework and pray and fellowship especially those who do not have family for family devotions. I liked it, hubby had trouble with the cut hair on women, the jewelry and makeup and that to him it seemed a little 'dry' (no aisle running, tongue talking) although he really liked the young man who preached and felt he had an anointed message. Nice building, very clean and simple with a playground for the kids.

Although we liked this church, without a minister from their org. to do a little explaining about how they view certain doctrinal issues we are unwilling to 'join up' officially so are off to look at other things as well. Tonight we are visiting a Hebraic Christian church. Sabbath worshipers but they have a Sunday service also. So I'll post about that later

We had so many commitments to our previous church that we never had time to fellowship other Christians so this is really fun and interesting

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by houston

She can't post on the Sabbath.

Poor Houston. I've got to send you to sarcasm class... I mean I know you try but it always comes off like you rode the short bus into your post. sorry.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Poor Houston. I've got to send you to sarcasm class... I mean I know you try but it always comes off like you rode the short bus into your post. sorry.

LOL

Yes, he does need to study at the feet of the masters a bit more.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Church of God (Not the big denomination ones). Nice folks. Smaller (maybe 100) church pretty close to home (15 miles). Sabbath worship. Baptize in Jesus name.

They have classes for about 90 minutes before service. No teachers just facilitators, everyone participated. Bible study is given as homework for families during the week and then discussed during class. Then they have a 30 minute fellowship time and then service.So the whole deal is about 3 hours. Service included songs, hymns, praise, testimonies, prayer requests, preaching (chapters of bible read and then expounded on by a nice young man). They are currently without a preacher although the last one was there 20 plus years and left for health reasons... They just allow each person with a word to do the preaching part at this point until they get someone else 'official'. Once a month they also have a potluck dinner together after service. They have folks that live close to one another that meet in homes mid-week to do the homework and pray and fellowship especially those who do not have family for family devotions. I liked it, hubby had trouble with the cut hair on women, the jewelry and makeup and that to him it seemed a little 'dry' (no aisle running, tongue talking) although he really liked the young man who preached and felt he had an anointed message. Nice building, very clean and simple with a playground for the kids.

Although we liked this church, without a minister from their org. to do a little explaining about how they view certain doctrinal issues we are unwilling to 'join up' officially so are off to look at other things as well. Tonight we are visiting a Hebraic Christian church. Sabbath worshipers but they have a Sunday service also. So I'll post about that later

We had so many commitments to our previous church that we never had time to fellowship other Christians so this is really fun and interesting

Sounds like the Church of Christ, they baptise in Jesus name and worship on the Sabbath.

[Hoovie]

I am really not aware of a Church of Christ or Church of God denomination that would "involk" the Name of Jesus at baptism... Any links to these?

Is the "COG" Armstrong? I know they are Sabbath Day and were somewhat anti Trinitarian at least before their reformation about 15 yrs ago...

[Amanah]

getting you a link, give me a sec

http://www.thywordistruth.com/Questi...n_3_Notes.html

an interesting argument made by the church of Christ, sorry for the hijack . . .

D. Argument #3: Acts 2:38 really means we are baptized "because of" the remission of sins.■1. Some argue that Acts 2:38, Mark 1:4, and Luke 3:3 should read "because of the remission of sins" rather than "for the remission of sin." That argument makes no sense grammatically or contextually. ■a. Some argue that the "for" in Acts 2:38 should be read as it would on a wanted poster -- "Wanted for murder" (i.e., wanted because of murder rather than wanted in order to commit murder).
■b. A. T. Robertson: "One will decide the use here according as he believes that baptism is essential to the remission of sins or not." He has that completely backwards, and his methodology explains why he mistranslates the verse.
■c. The English may have this ambiguity about the meaning of "for," but there is no ambiguity in the underlying Greek.

■2. The Greek word "eis," which is translated "for, into, unto, etc." always means with a view to or toward and never means because of. It always takes the accusative case, which is the case of motion towards. ■a. Matthew 26:28 -- "For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."
■b. Romans 10:10 -- "With the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

■3. Some point to Matthew 12:41, which says "The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at ["eis"] the preaching of Jonas." ■a. First, notice that while the word "because" appears in Matthew 12:41, that is not where the Greek word "eis" is used in that verse. Instead, "eis" is translated "at" in that verse.
■b. Did they repent because of the preaching or with a view toward the preaching?
■c. The Bible tells us they repented with a view toward the preaching of Noah and the terrible destruction that he foretold and that they successfully avoided that fate by their repentance.

■4. Also, Acts 2:38 is Peter's answer to the question in verse 37, "What must we do?" His listeners realized they were sinful, and they wanted to know what they had to do to get right with God. Peter's answer makes the most sense as an answer to that question -- what they must do to be saved. ■a. Peter told them to repent and be baptized for the remission of their sins.
■b. How would the answer "Repent and be baptized because your sins have been forgiven" make any sense at all in response to the question in verse 37?

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

I am really not aware of a Church of Christ or Church of God denomination that would "involk" the Name of Jesus at baptism... Any links to these?

Is the "COG" Armstrong? I know they are Sabbath Day and were somewhat anti Trinitarian at least before their reformation about 15 yrs ago...

They have some Adventist as well as some Pentecostal roots but were never affiliated with the bizarre female false profit that some of the Adventists got hooked into. They seem to have balance about a variety of issues. I have some qualms about the fact that they do not ordain women but my experience with OP churches is that they really no longer believe that women should preach either for the most part but are less honest about it as women ministers do a lot to pump up the roles.

[Hoovie]

Amanda, That is typical COC teaching I think, but I read nothing about invocation of "Jesus Name" at the baptism.