How many times did you ask God for the Holy Ghost? - Page 12

notofworks · #**111** 06-01-2010, 09:46 AM

Testing one, two, three, four. Hello? Is my mic working? Check, check, check. Testing. Is my monitor on? One, two, three, four.

Still looking for that verse where anyone ever "sought" for the Holy Ghost and didn't receive it.

Sam · #**112** 06-01-2010, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Testing one, two, three, four. Hello? Is my mic working? Check, check, check. Testing. Is my monitor on? One, two, three, four.

Still looking for that verse where anyone ever "sought" for the Holy Ghost and didn't receive it.

Keep looking, it HAS to be in there somewhere.......

Keep reading through the Book of Acts (can't find salvation in any other book according to some) and you'll find that occasion when after a long altar service an Apostle said:

Well, you almost got it.....
You had stammering lips.....
Come back next week and try again.....
Hope the Lord doesn't come before you get it.....

notofworks · #**113** 06-01-2010, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Keep looking, it HAS to be in there somewhere.......

Keep reading through the Book of Acts (can't find salvation in any other book according to some) and you'll find that occasion when after a long altar service an Apostle said:

Well, you almost got it.....
You had stammering lips.....
Come back next week and try again.....
Hope the Lord doesn't come before you get it.....

Maybe it's in the "Lost Episodes" of Acts. There's gotta be a 3-stepper out there somewhere that can help me figure this out.

"Just let your tongue go"
"Let go"
"Hold on"

Good grief.

Sam · #**114** 06-01-2010, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Testing one, two, three, four. Hello? Is my mic working? Check, check, check. Testing. Is my monitor on? One, two, three, four.

Still looking for that verse where anyone ever "sought" for the Holy Ghost and didn't receive it.

You're reading the wrong translation.
You gotta go by the "verbal traditional words" which are Spirit and not by the carnal "written words" which were supplied to us by... gasp, choke, shudder, trinitarians about 400 years ago.

In the "verbal traditional words"
Acts 2:37 says, "What must we do to be saved?"
and
Acts 2:38 says, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues."

You can also go to John chapter 3 and find in that "verbal traditional Bible" where Jesus told Nicodemus "Except a man be born again of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Now, you will find some of these quoting John 3:16 correctly from the KJV but they place a heavy emphasis on the words "should not"
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

On The Wheel · #**115** 06-01-2010, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

You're right. We aren't like the early church when it comes to folks getting the Spirit without a struggle. What do you suppose is the difference? And how can we be more apostolic in this regard?

Perhaps we are guilty of directing the "seeker" more toward an experience than a relationship. As a child I remember "seeking" the HG and being afraid I would not get it, which would mean that God had again rejected my petition. It was downright embarrassing!

I am not sure, but my spirit tells me something is drastically wrong.

mfblume · #**116** 06-01-2010, 10:39 AM

People whom I knew that sought it got it. It may have taken longer for some than others, but they got it. Why be "glass is half-empty" about it?

On The Wheel · #**117** 06-01-2010, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mirth1981

My older brother took a long time to get the Holy Ghost. He was one of those people that would "tarry" at the altar long after everyone else had left. He was 14 or so around that time. He was SO HUNGRY.

There would always be a group of people gathered around him...you know the way it goes: one person shouting in his ear, another rubbing his back, yet another shouting in the other ear, others just standing close by watching and praying loudly, and just all fired up. He told me about the worst of these experiences...it was at a district youth camp. The above described melee was taking place, and an unnamed preacher parted the crowd in front of him and laid his hand on his head and PUSHED DOWN (like he was trying to cause him to be "slain in the spirit") My brother said he had to bend his knees and forcefully brace himself to keep from being knocked over...but eventually just had to give in and be pushed down on the floor.

He didn't get the Holy Ghost that night either.

We don't allow "rubdowns" in our church. Call me Charismatic!

Also, whenever the good folks start "rockin' the seeker" I step in and "stabilize". I'm forced to wonder if this view was the "joy set before him" that Christ saw from Calvary: hungry souls repeatedly begging for salvation like the Prophets of Baal on Mt. Carmel.

It bothers me, I must confess.

mfblume · #**118** 06-01-2010, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by On The Wheel

We don't allow "rubdowns" in our church. Call me Charismatic!

Also, whenever the good folks start "rockin' the seeker" I step in and "stabilize". I'm forced to wonder if this view was the "joy set before him" that Christ saw from Calvary: hungry souls repeatedly begging for salvation like the Prophets of Baal on Mt. Carmel.

It bothers me, I must confess.

Seeking the Holy Ghost is not seeking salvation. I do not look at it like that. If someone is seeking all God desires for them, and they are sincere, they are saved should anything happen to them.

On The Wheel · #**119** 06-01-2010, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

People whom I knew that sought it got it. It may have taken longer for some than others, but they got it. Why be "glass is half-empty" about it?

Because the glass is half empty. Furthermore, if we are truly apostolic in experience and in doctrine, shouldn't what we regard as the very moment of when salvation occurs happen precisely as it did in scripture? It bothers me that a component so central to our salvation theology completely absent from scriptural record.

Nowhere in scripture is there a hint of people coming to God in repentance and leaving the same way they came. Neither are there admonitions to keep seeking the salvation experience, pray through the obstacles until it comes or other such things.

If I am going to be Apostolic, I want things to occur the way things did in the beginning.

Timmy · #**120** 06-01-2010, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by On The Wheel

Because the glass is half empty. Furthermore, if we are truly apostolic in experience and in doctrine, shouldn't what we regard as the very moment of when salvation occurs happen precisely as it did in scripture? It bothers me that a component so central to our salvation theology completely absent from scriptural record.

Nowhere in scripture is there a hint of people coming to God in repentance and leaving the same way they came. Neither are there admonitions to keep seeking the salvation experience, pray through the obstacles until it comes or other such things.

If I am going to be Apostolic, I want things to occur the way things did in the beginning.

On the other hand, even an evil human father gives good things to his kids when they ask. How much more would the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask? If you don't get it, you must not have asked. You have not because you ask not. Simple!