Perspectives Sounding Social Network Alarms

[DAII]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I think PM is correct in NOT hammering anyone who had tickets to a ball game. Well, maybe he should get after any of his saints that had tickets to this past Superbowl - because they obviously didn't pray hard enough!

PM does sound a bit like KH after he was elected. A bit out of character in some respects. In years gone by, PM was never known for being a "standards nazi" in any sense. He was also much more careful in the way he approached matters... IMHO.

In fact, PM and AM both appear to have fallen into the same trap. These guys could have been voices that rallied and unified us. Instead they appear to have deliberately chosen to settle in another camp - the camp of the malcontents and antisocial misfits; always belly achin' about somebody else's knickers being too short.

Personally, I think he's bitter because he can't keep up with the technology ... see his website ... and control the dialogue ....

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by DAII

You see ... that's my frame of reference ....

I heard his "NOOSPHERE" August 2008 ... message a couple of months ago where he rails on social networking and warns his young people of the "second life" they are living through social networking ... even the notion of avatars, virtual churches .... and false prophets/people with giant egos pouring ideas into the minds of our young people.

He rails on the amount of anti-bible, anti-holiness, anti-righteousness .... infomation that is now readily accessible ... and specifically targets his young people in the message.

http://calvary.wm.llnw.net/a33/exter...309pm-100k.wmv

I think AFF would qualify as part of the NOOSPHERE ... and his wife participates and so does he (Twitter) ...

is it consistent enough to ask him to separate from the NOOSPHERE ... in the spirit of Puritanism ???

Are you asking them to not participate?

I think it would be great if they got sucked up in the whole thing - at least for a time. I'd love to see PM as +150 paladin Oxfire in World of Warcraft. He could slay imaginary demons all day long and get it out of his system. And then, when he's ready for the real world his young people might be able to better understand him.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by DAII

Personally, I think he's bitter because he can't keep up with the technology ... see his website ... and control the dialogue ....

I'm the last guy to throw stones... but you've reminded me of a telephone conversation I had with his key IT guy back in the 1990s. We were talking about something else when I suggested that he put the whole AIS stuff up on a web site (and thus I wouldn't have been calling him).

He groaned audibly. Then in a rather condescending manner he told me that they'd have to spend "tens of thousands of dollars" for the web servers and the Internet connection... It was "out of the question," he assured me.

I asked him, "Why don't you just get a web hosting service?" No money upfront and just a monthly fee. It's completely scalable so that you could start small and expand as your needs expanded. He had no idea what I was talking about.

[Apocrypha]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I'm the last guy to throw stones... but you've reminded me of a telephone conversation I had with his key IT guy back in the 1990s. We were talking about something else when I suggested that he put the whole AIS stuff up on a web site (and thus I wouldn't have been calling him).

He groaned audibly. Then in a rather condescending manner he told me that they'd have to spend "tens of thousands of dollars" for the web servers and the Internet connection... It was "out of the question," he assured me.

I asked him, "Why don't you just get a web hosting service?" No money upfront and just a monthly fee. It's completely scalable so that you could start small and expand as your needs expanded. He had no idea what I was talking about.

Thanks, that conversation may be why he hired me and gave me 2 years of free bible college as their first webmaster/it guy

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Apocrypha

Thanks, that conversation may be why he hired me and gave me 2 years of free bible college as their first webmaster/it guy

We missed each other by that much? LOL.

They had a pretty cool offering in the mag and the other services. I just couldn't believe that I was the only guy in the Oneness world who saw what "http" was going to bring. The "web" was brand spanking new at the time, but there were already a lot of hosting services.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by BHILL

Maybe I didn't read the forum enough,lol. I really enjoyed reading their posts even if I didn't agree with them and now most of the cons are gone.
I just don't like the personal attacks on people,when DAII calls PM, Paul this or Paul that, I didn't know he was on a first name basis with PM. I married into his extended family and grown to admire and respect him. He's always the same,always a christian even when he's not in the pulpit.

IMO people have more credit by attacking the message and not the messenger

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

IMO people have more credit by attacking the message and not the messenger

Well if that's the case, Prax, I am coming to you to improve my FICA score.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

I am a wee confused I think.... not sure what is actually Jermyn Davidson's thoughts and what is sarcasm.

I have that affect sometimes.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Well I think it's exactly what the con saints should do.

Just leave their churches.

Sarcasm, with a hint of sincerity.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Yes, cons, leave your church. Migrate. immigrate if you must, just do it lawfully!

Why pray for them (the hopeless of your church), there's no use!

Little Johnny, darling Susie (your little SUnday school students 25 years ago)-- no hope!

They are all hopeless charismatics now and nothing can be done about it!

Sarcasm, with a hint of sincerity.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Besides, if you find another church, you may even know the songs they sing there!

Imagine, going to a church where they sing the old songs you know and love!

Sarcasm.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I am alll for the great migration of religious folks who don't have enough passion for the people that they should have grown to love in all the years they have known them at their now charismatic bastion of worldliness that used to be their church!

Leave, or fast and pray about the condition of your church and the souls that are seeking salvation at the church you've called home for so long!

All sincerity. If your family is really in that great of a need, why leave them? To leave them implies that they are no longer family.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Or maybe your god just isn't able to cut the mustard when it comes to the restoration of a church gone hopelessly charismatic!!!!

Sarcasm, but again, if the solution is to leave, ones actions prove that's how they feel.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Good grief!

I almost get the impression that some folks think others who believe the same Gospel as them are on their way to hell just because of stuff that the Bible is not even so dogmatic about!!!!

All sincerity. This kind of thinking is more divisive than good and does very little to build up the faith of folks once they start asking the "hard questions".

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

For the cons who don't believe their god can change things in their church, leave!

If not, you'll become just like them!!!!


RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!


It's obvious you (cons) stopped praying for them a long time ago.

Sincerity, with a hint of sarcasm.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

And when you (cons) find another church to take up space in, do more than take up space. Do more than fulfil an office or a role.

GET ON YOUR KNEES AND PRAY FOR YOUR CHURCH, YOUR PASTOR, YOUR LEADERSHIP!

If you don't, you may be the contributing factor to the destruction of the next church you call home.


Yeah, if you're not praying for your church, then you're contributing to the problems.

If you're not praying for your Pastor, don't bother saying amen when he preaches!




I mean, you're a con, look at the church you're leaving! Surely, you're not going to tell me you fast and prayed and God told you to give up on these folks!

You're not telling me that God told you to, "Leave them alone!! My Grace is not enough for them any longer!"


No!

You (cons) leave because you don't have enough passion and maybe even faith to make a difference any more, so you blame others for your unhappiness!

You use spiritual terms to hide behind your laziness and your "set in your ways" selves!


SO LEAVE!!!!!!!!


But when you find your next church home, why not pray for somebody before you decide that these folks aren't holy enough for your liking!!!

All sincerity, but I apologize for the harshness of my tone in this post.