Do You Believe In A Literal Fiery Hell?

[Joelel]

Hell is a state of tribulation where ever a person is.If a person is not saved they and their state of tribulation will be cast into the lake of fire,that is the death of them and their tribulation.

Rev.020:012And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
020:013And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 020:014And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.(cease to exist)
020:015And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Heb.009:027And as it is appointed unto men once to die,(cease to exist) (In the flesh) but after this the judgment

Rev.002:011He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death (cease to exist)

James005:020Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death,(cease to exist) and shall hide a multitude of sins

Rom.006:021What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.(cease to exist) 006:022But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
006:023For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Math.10 28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy(cease to exist) both soul and body in hell.

Luke20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die(cease to exist)any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by crakjak

It is not my thread, my friend, but it was certainly hijacked. lol

Thank you my Brother, it nice to be posting with you again.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

I am no fan of Trinity doctrine, that's for sure...

No one is doubting your allegiance to the teaching of One God. What I'm trying to say is there is a great importance for a neophyte to understand the Mighty God in Christ. I stress the doctrine of the Trinity as taught by Trinitarian ministers is demonic and has nothing to do with Christianity.

These people need to be saved, and that importance should not be lessened.

Originally Posted by TRFrance

But this God thought enough of their repentance to fill them with His Spirit.

Repenting from what? The Jews repented that they killed their Messiah in Acts 2:37 . Gentiles are engrapted into a TEACHING of the God of the Jews.

What you are teaching is an American version of Christianity that not even 200 years old.

The accept the Lord and receive the spirit is maybe 150 years old. Now in the 21st century we have a watered down version of Christianity that would make the apostles want to stone us.

Our personal experiences does not prove truth, it's the Word of God, chapter and verse that proves truth. Jesus said if they didn't believe that He was the I AM, that they would die in their sins (Joh 8:24).

The Gentiles who were proselytes had to come to a complete understanding of God before they came through a ritual washing.

To believe on the Lord Jesus Christ one must understand who and what He is.
They must come to understand the Mighty God in Christ, NOT "a" second person to the Mighty God.

Originally Posted by TRFrance

So if they're baptized in Jesus name and filled with His Spirit, who am I to say they're not saved because they believe in the Trinity?

Again this is a lay over from the sawdust trail, were the neophyte would come down a shake the preacher's hand. In like fashion those who are baptized and have no clue about anything, are not doing the same as was done in the book of Acts. The Ethiopian Eunuch was asked if he understood, and was given a Bible study out of the scroll of Isaiah. Then and only then was the eunuch asked if he understood. When the eunuch confessed he was taken to the water way in Jesus name (Acts 8:26-40).

Originally Posted by TRFrance

The Acts 2:38 plan of salvation says nothing about Godhead doctrine, so if God thought enough of these people's repentance to go ahead and fill them with his Spirit, I'll leave the final judgment up to Him as to who he's going to let into heaven and who he'll keep out.

Acts 2:38 has been butchered as has John 3:16 to fit some religious formula.
Those who obeyed Acts 2:38 weren't pot smoking, beer drinking Americans.

They were religious Jews who were devoted to the God of Israel (Acts 2:5). These Jews accepted the fact that they killed their awaited Messiah, and they were pricked in their hearts (Acts 2:37). Then God sent Peter a vision of the Gentiles to come into the true Israel (Acts 10:36-48).
These God-fearers were brought in first because of their understanding of One God, and the Jews came to those God-fearers to preach the Mighty God in Christ. After Peter preaches those God-fearers recieve the Holy Ghost with speaking in tongues and Peter commanded those God-fearers to be baptized in Jesus name.

We have no record of any clueless individuals getting the Holy Ghost.

Lord bless you and your family

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

Stop Trinitarians From Hurling Towards A Devil's Hell.

Teach a Trinitarian a Bible Study!

Do Your Part Today!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Joelel

Hell is a state of tribulation where ever a person is.If a person is not saved they and their state of tribulation will be cast into the lake of fire,that is the death of them and their tribulation.

Rev.020:012And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
020:013And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 020:014And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.(cease to exist)
020:015And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Heb.009:027And as it is appointed unto men once to die,(cease to exist) (In the flesh) but after this the judgment

Rev.002:011He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death (cease to exist)

James005:020Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death,(cease to exist) and shall hide a multitude of sins

Rom.006:021What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.(cease to exist) 006:022But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
006:023For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Math.10 28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy(cease to exist) both soul and body in hell.

Luke20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die(cease to exist)any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection

Cain was removed from God's presence, and Jesus told those who he rejected and called lawless that He NEVER knew them. Therefore they cease from His presence for ever.

I would like to know how you interpret Rev 20:10

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

You have here 24 hr intervals and they are eternal.

I await your answer.

Oh and who is Yehowshuwa? It's sure not Jesus.

In Jesus Name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Revelationist]

Check out this link on Hell...

http://www.gospelthemes.com/hell.htm

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Stop Trinitarians From Hurling Towards A Devil's Hell.

Teach a Trinitarian a Bible Study!

Do Your Part Today!

You are one evangelist I hope I never have to endure.............

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Cain was removed from God's presence, and Jesus told those who he rejected and called lawless that He NEVER knew them. Therefore they cease from His presence for ever.

I would like to know how you interpret Rev 20:10

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

You have here 24 hr intervals and they are eternal.

I await your answer.

Oh and who is Yehowshuwa? It's sure not Jesus.

In Jesus Name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Ever and ever means an age or space of time.Ever and ever is a longer space of time.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/poly/rev020.htm

10 And2532 the3588 devil1228 that deceived4105 them846 was cast906 into1519 the3588 lake3041 of fire4442 and2532 brimstone,2303 where3699 the3588 beast2342 and2532 the3588 false prophet5578 are, and2532 shall be tormented928 day2250 and2532 night3571 forever and ever1519 165 165

G1519
εἰς
eis
ice
A primary preposition; to or into (indicating the point reached or entered), of place, time, or (figuratively) purpose (result, etc.); also in adverbial phrases.: - [abundant-] ly, against, among, as, at, [back-] ward, before, by, concerning, + continual, + far more exceeding, for [intent, purpose], fore, + forth, in (among, at unto, -so much that, -to), to the intent that, + of one mind, + never, of, (up-) on, + perish, + set at one again, (so) that, therefore (-unto), throughout, till, to (be, the end, -ward), (here-) until (-to), . . . ward, [where-] fore, with. Often used in composition with the same general import, but only with verbs (etc.) expressing motion (literallyor figuratively.


G165
αἰών
aiōn
ahee-ohn‘
From the same as 104 properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end). Compare 5550

G104
ἀεί
aei
ah-eye‘
From an obsolete primary noun (apparently meaning continued duration); “ever”; by qualification regularly; by implication earnestly: - always, ever.

G5550
χρόνος
chronos
khron‘-os
Of uncertain derivation; a space of time (in genitive case, and thus properly distinguished from 2540 which designates a fixed or special occasion; and from 165 which denotes a particular period) or interval; by extension an individual opportunity; by implication delay: - + years old, season, space, (X often-) time (-s), (a) while.

[Michael Phelps]

[QUOTE=Joelel;552271]Ever and ever means an age or space of time.Ever and ever is a longer space of time.

Huh?

I no understand Bible, but I "no understand" this either.....

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Huh?

I no understand Bible, but I "no understand" this either.....

He said that ever and ever is a longer space in thyme.