Tithing…Is it a command?

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

I am one that does not believe in the authoritive type of pastor ship found in many organizations especially OP ism. But I will say this, many of those leaders and elders are only reflecting the mindset that they were indoctrinated in. The problem is the system not the calling of God.

Yes no doubt we are products of our environment.

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

But I will say this, many of those leaders and elders are only reflecting the mindset that they were indoctrinated in. The problem is the system not the calling of God.

I don't disagree that the system is the problem but if God truly called you, you will have the boldness to go against the system.

Ephes. 6:19

So there are no excuses. The problem is not God, it's us.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Esphes45

I don't disagree that the system is the problem but if God truly called you, you will have the boldness to go against the system.

Ephes. 6:19

So there are no excuses. The problem is not God, it's us.

I agree as long as our approach is tactful and long suffering. Imo it can take a long time to be reshaped from decades of legalism & false teaching.

Let us examine ourselves and remember how long it took us to see the error of our ways.

[obriencp]

Originally Posted by Rudy

I agree as long as our approach is tactful and long suffering. Imo it can take a long time to be reshaped from decades of legalism & false teaching.

Let us examine ourselves and remember how long it took us to see the error of our ways.

true on so many levels.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Esphes45

I don't disagree that the system is the problem but if God truly called you, you will have the boldness to go against the system.

Ephes. 6:19

So there are no excuses. The problem is not God, it's us.

That is the point, it is one thing to go against the system, when you see the wrong in the system. But many have not come to see the wrong in the system nor the doctrine they teach, as we have seen in many of the debates on this forum.

Originally Posted by Rudy

I agree as long as our approach is tactful and long suffering. Imo it can take a long time to be reshaped from decades of legalism & false teaching.

Let us examine ourselves and remember how long it took us to see the error of our ways.

Rudy, how true, too many times we want others to get where we have gotten in less that half the time it took us to get there. I have been out of UPCI for the last 10 years, but it took me 25 years before that questioning UPCI doctrines before I left.

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

That is the point, it is one thing to go against the system, when you see the wrong in the system. But many have not come to see the wrong in the system nor the doctrine they teach, as we have seen in many of the debates on this forum.



Rudy, how true, too many times we want others to get where we have gotten in less that half the time it took us to get there. I have been out of UPCI for the last 10 years, but it took me 25 years before that questioning UPCI doctrines before I left.

Pray for me. I just want things done fast so we can get to the business of bringing people to God instead of fighting one another.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Esphes45

Pray for me. I just want things done fast so we can get to the business of bringing people to God instead of fighting one another.

There were problems in the early church as well.

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by Rudy

There were problems in the early church as well.

I know but you would think we would have learned from our past mistakes. What do the say the definition of insanity is.. doing the exact same thing over and over again.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Esphes45

I know but you would think we would have learned from our past mistakes. What do the say the definition of insanity is.. doing the exact same thing over and over again.

I feel your pain.

[seguidordejesus]

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

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Your blog says you go to Victory something or other?