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[bkstokes]

Originally Posted by Ferd

WP flipfloped again?

dude, your like a fish that got tossed up on the bank.

can you do me a favor and the next time you start rethinking, just stop? your giving me whiplash.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Thank you, Michael, for reminding me of how God has delivered me, and set me in a real Apostolic Church, and in the way that leads outside the city, to the Cross, and on to the New Jerusalem. Thank you for reminding me how God has done a work in me, in just a few short months, pulling me from the change agents, closing my ears, and causing me to understand fully the truth about the grace of God in such a manner that brought me back to my senses, and to see what thus says the Lord.

Thank you, for in so doing, you have encouraged me. I am not the man I was, but thank the Lord I shall never return back to the wallows of liberalism and sin again.

Thank you for showing me the errors of my past, so I can go on to the future. BTW, I am honored to be a member of a fantastic WWPF church, a church that stands on Apostolic truth, that seeks not to follow after the way of the change agents which so permeate the AFF, and so follows after the truth of the Bible that He pours out of His presense in every service more and more powerfully.

I was warned that my many statements and flip-flopping in the past would be thrown back in my face. i was wondering when this would start here. However, I found that in seeing my past, I am presently growing stronger in my faith, my walk, my life, and am willing to say that i was stupid, but God saved me and delivered me from my sins.

Maple Leaf, Bishop Reckart was right about much of this forum. Yet, good men like Steve Epley and Tim Rutledge, men who choose to hold the line and stand in the face of the liberal change agents, these men I admire and hope to follow in witness of their testimony of steadfastness and holiness.

In the name of Jesus, I praise Him for my past showing where all I have been, and where He has brought me to.

Bill,

You are welcome.

I do not kid myself in the least that you may actually listen to what I'm saying here, but I'll say it anyway - your exploration of several different viewpoints to find your true north is something that many people do to one extent or another, and I think pretty much everyone on this forum has been very patient with you throughout your quest.

However, your mistake is made when you come back on this forum and become so vocal with your "new" beliefs, to the point of putting everyone else in hell who doesn't necessarily believe exactly as you do at that given moment.

THAT'S where you lose your credibility.

If you come back on the forum, admit that you're searching, and keep a non-judgmental spirit, things will be much more non-combative.

However, with each flip-flop, you sentence yet another group of people, a group of which you were a part just a few days before, to eternal damnation.

I can't speak for the entire forum, but I'm just waiting to see if you will ever actually settle into a belief system for more than a month.

Once you do that, and prove your stickability, maybe I'll listen to what you have to say.

[George]

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge

Someone who would criticize and ridicule a Man of God, especially one the caliber of L.L. Booker.. is full of ignorance.

All the WPF is is what the UPCI suppose to of been.. but they backed up the bus.

The potential evil of a media (internet) does not justify tv.

If you want tv.. Watch it.. but don't ridicule Preachers who aren't changing.

And btw.. I do understand this kind of post rubs 95% or more of Pentecost the wrong way.

Before you bash the UPCI and accuse them of not being what they are supposed to be, explain to me why the WPF people never used the judicial system of the UPCI. If so many UPCI preachers were doing wrong, why didn't the WPF men press charges while they were UPC? I have heard some of them say, "It wouldn't do any good." If it is wrong for a preacher to have a TV in his home in the UPCI, it was just as wrong for those "have been" UPCI now WPF preachers to not press charges. If they couldn't do it as UPCI, they will never enforce their WPF rules. The UPCI judicial system was set in place to keep the organization free of wrong. If a preacher chooses not to use the system, then he shouldn't complain nor run away. That is like griping about the president but never voting.

[2020Vision]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Bill,

You are welcome.

I do not kid myself in the least that you may actually listen to what I'm saying here, but I'll say it anyway - your exploration of several different viewpoints to find your true north is something that many people do to one extent or another, and I think pretty much everyone on this forum has been very patient with you throughout your quest.

However, your mistake is made when you come back on this forum and become so vocal with your "new" beliefs, to the point of putting everyone else in hell who doesn't necessarily believe exactly as you do at that given moment.

THAT'S where you lose your credibility.

If you come back on the forum, admit that you're searching, and keep a non-judgmental spirit, things will be much more non-combative.

However, with each flip-flop, you sentence yet another group of people, a group of which you were a part just a few days before, to eternal damnation.

I can't speak for the entire forum, but I'm just waiting to see if you will ever actually settle into a belief system for more than a month.

Once you do that, and prove your stickability, maybe I'll listen to what you have to say.

Phelps, this is the only problem with liberalism and I will attempt to articulate it. Anything conservative draws a line, and it causes defensiveness and people to feel like the opinion is putting them in hell. For instance, it angers many people on here when someone speaks out against TV. Angers them a whole lot. It's always going to be like that.

In the workplace, all ideas are fine, as long as they don't infringe or implicitly deny the other's point as wrong. Diversity in opinion sounds great, but what it really produces is this quasi-"holy war" that doesn't really exist, but is rather just two men with different opinions. Both think the other is wrong. How do we take the emotional fuse out of it? I don't think we can.

[2020Vision]

Originally Posted by George

Before you bash the UPCI and accuse them of not being what they are supposed to be, explain to me why the WPF people never used the judicial system of the UPCI. If so many UPCI preachers were doing wrong, why didn't the WPF men press charges while they were UPC? I have heard some of them say, "It wouldn't do any good." If it is wrong for a preacher to have a TV in his home in the UPCI, it was just as wrong for those "have been" UPCI now WPF preachers to not press charges. If they couldn't do it as UPCI, they will never enforce their WPF rules. The UPCI judicial system was set in place to keep the organization free of wrong. If a preacher chooses not to use the system, then he shouldn't complain nor run away. That is like griping about the president but never voting.

George, honestly, if you sense the whole system, and those in leadership positions are not abiding by the bylaws and rules and that you are going to march in and enforce it all through voting - that is, voting with men that have gone along with the system and are themselves guilty, that's Utopian, idealistic and wishful thinking at best.

I happen to know the judicial system was used year after year for decades. It wasn't untried. The tide was simply turning. Not to be harsh with this comparison, but it's like the Supreme Court out there in California. Their people have twice voted against Gay Marriage, but the leadership of California (the Supreme Court), and their leaders (senators, legislature, governors) have the opinion otherwise. It's just a matter of time until they breakdown the will of the people until they say "What does it really matter"? The GM knows this too. And eventually Gay Marriage will be a reality in every state in our dear nation. Same with what these in UPC saw happening. Not putting it on equal ground as Gay Marriage, but definitely things that they felt were long ago settled were year after year being challenged, until the will of the leaders was more and more becoming broken down.

So, these men did what they felt best, and left. JG, NW, CC, etc all these men were in leadership positions at one time with the UPCI. To me, it's not hard to understand why they did what they did. They love the brethern of the UPCI, but jumped ship because they didn't like where that ship was sailing.

[Tim Rutledge]

Originally Posted by George

Before you bash the UPCI and accuse them of not being what they are supposed to be, explain to me why the WPF people never used the judicial system of the UPCI. If so many UPCI preachers were doing wrong, why didn't the WPF men press charges while they were UPC? I have heard some of them say, "It wouldn't do any good." If it is wrong for a preacher to have a TV in his home in the UPCI, it was just as wrong for those "have been" UPCI now WPF preachers to not press charges. If they couldn't do it as UPCI, they will never enforce their WPF rules. The UPCI judicial system was set in place to keep the organization free of wrong. If a preacher chooses not to use the system, then he shouldn't complain nor run away. That is like griping about the president but never voting.

George.. Press charges to who, against who? At the highest level of the upci there was non compliance to the bylaws. Rule breakers should not and can not judge rule breakers, especially when they fellowship the rule breakers. There is a whole lot more to it then either of us probably even come close to realizing. And George.. stating facts is not the equivalent of bashing. It just kind of feels and sounds the same way. No hard feelings. God bless the UPCI & the WPF. Your opinions and my opinions are just that.. just opinions.. and I'm ok with you being wrong.

[Thumper]

Stop viewing and participating in forums for a few months and look what happens again. Last I read wasn't BP Dan A disciple and going to trinitarian church.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Thumper

Stop viewing and participating in forums for a few months and look what happens again. Last I read wasn't BP Dan A disciple and going to trinitarian church.

yes and now he has become an ultra con again again again.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by 2020Vision

Phelps, this is the only problem with liberalism and I will attempt to articulate it. Anything conservative draws a line, and it causes defensiveness and people to feel like the opinion is putting them in hell. For instance, it angers many people on here when someone speaks out against TV. Angers them a whole lot. It's always going to be like that.

In the workplace, all ideas are fine, as long as they don't infringe or implicitly deny the other's point as wrong. Diversity in opinion sounds great, but what it really produces is this quasi-"holy war" that doesn't really exist, but is rather just two men with different opinions. Both think the other is wrong. How do we take the emotional fuse out of it? I don't think we can.

20/20, unless you've been on our forum for the past few years, you won't understand my admonition to Bill.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge

George.. Press charges to who, against who? At the highest level of the upci there was non compliance to the bylaws. Rule breakers should not and can not judge rule breakers, especially when they fellowship the rule breakers. There is a whole lot more to it then either of us probably even come close to realizing. And George.. stating facts is not the equivalent of bashing. It just kind of feels and sounds the same way. No hard feelings. God bless the UPCI & the WPF. Your opinions and my opinions are just that.. just opinions.. and I'm ok with you being wrong.

Can you give details to support this accusation, TR?