The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger and the Current Counterfeits

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

In Him dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

He was both man and God. Only the flesh died on the cross and after three days He pick it up. Tear this temple down and in three days I'll raise it up.

He is the fullness of the Godhead BODILY, God has no other body than the physical body of Jesus Christ. Because God is Spirit. Did every iota of God reside in the physical body of Jesus, I think not.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Sabellius

"The three verbs [as] primarily metaphors of salvation, each expressing a special facet of their conversion in light of the preceding sentences: they had been “washed” from the filth of their former life-styles expressed in the preceding list; they had been “sanctified,” set apart by God for holy, godly living that stands in stark contrast to their former wickedness; though formerly “unjust,” they had been justified, so that now right with God they may inherit the kingdom that before they could not. Each of the verbs is thus chosen for contextual, not dogmatic, reasons; and their sequence is theologically irrelevant. "*
* Gordon D. Fee, The New International Commentary on the New Testament, The First Epistle to the Corinthians (Grand Rapids, MI: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1987), 246.

This being true, we are surely saved when we believe in and submit to the finished work of Jesus Christ.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by crakjak

This being true, we are surely saved when we believe in and submit to the finished work of Jesus Christ.

Do you not see believing and submission as two different things? Does not submission require action of some kind?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by rrford

Do you not see believing and submission as two different things? Does not submission require action of some kind?

I can see the question, however would one submit until one has believed?

[rrford]

Originally Posted by crakjak

I can see the question, however would one submit until one has believed?

And there is the conundrum solved by Bonhoeffer. Yet, we know that belief and submission are 2 separate acts. And of one is required before the other then it leads onward to asking when is one saved.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Chan

Who said anything about that oxymoron of an eternal Son? It is not in His humanity that Jesus is the mighty God, it is in His divinity that He is the mighty God. Otherwise, you must say that God was begotten, that God had a beginning.

I would qualify it, by saying God became flesh or God was made flesh. Whatever happened to Jesus, happened to God because Jesus was God made in the likeness of men:Phil 2:7 If you believe the Son of man, Jesus Christ, is God Mic5:2, then yes, God did in fact taste of death, God learned obedience, etc as a man.

Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

Oh and Chan, sorry about the oxymoron, I forgot you are not the typical Trinitarian.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I would qualify it, by saying God became flesh or God was made flesh. Whatever happened to Jesus, happened to God because Jesus was God made in the likeness of men:Phil 2:7 If you believe the Son of man, Jesus Christ, is God Mic5:2, then yes, God did in fact taste of death, God learned obedience, etc as a man.

Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

It seems to be that you are saying God died. If indeed that happened, how was He dead and yet alive? Did God, who was dead, raise Himself from the dead?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by rrford

And there is the conundrum solved by Bonhoeffer. Yet, we know that belief and submission are 2 separate acts. And of one is required before the other then it leads onward to asking when is one saved.

I like what Paul says in Romans 5, but of course, like an infant child may be perfect yet not if one stays an infant.


(Romans 5.1) "Therefore, being JUSTIFIED by FAITH, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through whom also we have access by FAITH into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by crakjak

I like what Paul says in Romans 5, but of course, like an infant child may be perfect yet not if one stays an infant.


(Romans 5.1) "Therefore, being JUSTIFIED by FAITH, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through whom also we have access by FAITH into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Notice the past, present and future aspects of the verse.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by rrford

It seems to be that you are saying God died. If indeed that happened, how was He dead and yet alive? Did God, who was dead, raise Himself from the dead?

Death is a separation from the body. The spirit/soul of a man doesn't die. So no, Jesus' Spirit did not die as in annihilation but was separated from his human body which is death. And yes, Jesus raised himself from the dead like he said he would. 2 Cor 5:1-5 Mt 22:32

What is your definition of death?