Defend your Faith

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Kutless

is that not evedence also?

By what power can we truly love on another?

Only by the Power of the Holy Ghost... God's Spirit in us...

How does the abused forgive the Abuser and love them?

How does the good return good for evil and still love them?

How does man do that?

The Goodness of Man? or the love of God thru His work in Man's Heart?

Originally Posted by revrandy

1 Corinthians 14

4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church...

After reading this chapter (which I know very well) what difference does it make then? Don't we make it a pretty big deal about needing...demanding that we hear others speak in an unknown tongue in order for us to judge wheither they are Spirit filled or not?

Just curious.

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Chewy

4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church...

After reading this chapter (which I know very well) what difference does it make then? Don't we make it a pretty big deal about needing...demanding that we hear others speak in an unknown tongue in order for us to judge wheither they are Spirit filled or not?

Just curious.

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14For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

15What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

16Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

17For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.

18I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Did the person speaking in tongues know what they were saying?

6Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

7And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

8And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

9Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

10Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

11Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

great point. so was the miracle hearing or speaking?

[revrandy]

Kutless by your own admition you used the right word but I didn't catch it....

Evidence... for there to be evidence first there must be an event.... ...

I just got the chill bumps...

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by revrandy

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14For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

15What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

16Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

17For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.

18I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

was Paul talking about a heavenly language here? And if so how is that supported by scripture.

We know that in the synagogue they read then Ancient/Prophets/Hebrew to the unlearned and for that purpose they neede a translator.

Jewish Scolars called him a meturgeman.

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Kutless by your own admition you used the right word but I didn't catch it....

Evidence... for there to be evidence first there must be an event.... ...

I just got the chill bumps...

brother I know the event believe me. But just play along.

What if God's filled us without tongues?

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Kutless

brother I know the event believe me. But just play along.

What if God's filled us without tongues?

If we agree what are we proving?

Get somebody here who don't agree...

Originally Posted by revrandy

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14For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

15What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

16Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

17For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.

18I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

Really, that is my point, no one ever said in the Holy Word of God that tongues was given to classify whether folks could be part of the organizational movement.

When folks of a different stripe are asked if they have the holy ghost, and they say they have spoken in tongues but do not have the outward standard accoutrements we insist they do not have the Holy Ghost because we haven't heard them and their outward appearance does not suggest they know truth.

Tongues is a deeply personal experience that shouldn't be anyone's business.

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by revrandy

If we agree what are we proving?

Get somebody here who don't agree...

You know what on second thought I do not agree with you.

Peter was just showing Jews sometning they could understand. They were already baptizing and envoking the name of the priest who did the baptism. JUdaism was apostate and he was instructing them to follow Jewish custom with a new purpose. The authority of Jesus Christ.

Where is it supported that they rec'd tongues?

Paul and Peter were on 2 totally different pages with tongues.