Mega upc church in Turmoil ?????

[SoCaliUPC]

Originally Posted by Titus_2_3

The National Enquirer Thread?

Get over it....

Unlike the National Enquirer that posts no-truths whatsoever....this particular case has been proven to be true...

HOWEVER...what has been discussed in this thread has been the ISSUE of whether it is right for a pastor to unilaterally change the by-laws to state that he, not the church body, choose the next pastor.

[SoCaliUPC]

Originally Posted by Monkeyman

Question. By definition, are there only 2 mega churches in the UPC? I know about POA and CLC. Does any other church have a congregation over 2,000? What about other "oneness" orgs? I do know that there are a lot of churches who have the "mega" style...contemporary, lights, media, and such, but I'm talking about membership over 2,000. Thanks!

Monkeyman....I would not call this church a mega-church. If you knew the church you would not think so as well. Is it a big church? Yes. Is it a mega church? No.

However...back to the issue at hand....

[SoCaliUPC]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

If you're a pastor and you feel that your son is "THE MAN" to take over the church, the church body will know he's "THE MAN" too!

If the church body feels differently, then obviously he is NOT the man!!!!

Pro 18:16 A man's gift maketh room for him, and bringeth him before great men.

I tend to agree with this.

[South of I 90]

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

Monkeyman....I would not call this church a mega-church. If you knew the church you would not think so as well. Is it a big church? Yes. Is it a mega church?

It's a Mega-Church of tens of tens!!

[SoCaliUPC]

Originally Posted by South of I 90

It's a Mega-Church of tens of tens!!

HAHAHA!! Well...a few more then that.

[South of I 90]

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

HAHAHA!! Well...a few more then that.

Modesto?

[Thumper]

Unfortunately this is a situation that is all to common in Pentecost.

Very sad indeed.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

Do you know the church?

Anyway...what people have been talking about for the majority of this thread is the ISSUE at hand....is it right for a pastor to unilaterally change the by-laws to state he, not the church body, choose the next pastor? This is the issue at hand.

Unless the By-Laws expressly give the pastor the authority to change them, he cannot unilaterally change them. That would be illegal especially if they are incorporated with the state. The By-Laws are the legal binding document of the "corporation" which spells out how the corporation will be governed etc.

If the By-Laws give the pastor carte blanc to change whatever he wants whenever he wants, then, IMO, the people who voted on them are indeed stupid with a capital "P!" And the pastor is maniacal with a capital "M!" And this would be nepotism with a capital "N!"


What's that spell? PMN!!!!!!

[Margies3]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Unless the By-Laws expressly give the pastor the authority to change them, he cannot unilaterally change them. That would be illegal especially if they are incorporated with the state. The By-Laws are the legal binding document of the "corporation" which spells out how the corporation will be governed etc.

If the By-Laws give the pastor carte blanc to change whatever he wants whenever he wants, then, IMO, the people who voted on them are indeed stupid with a capital "P!" And the pastor is maniacal with a capital "M!" And this would be nepotism with a capital "N!"


What's that spell? PMN!!!!!!

Stupid with a capital "P"????? Wouldn't that be Ptupid??

Originally Posted by Margies3

Stupid with a capital "P"????? Wouldn't that be Ptupid??

I think he did that on purpose to prove the point of stupid