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04-05-2008, 09:12 AM
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Re: The Oneness Anti "Christ" doctrine ....
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Originally Posted by OneAccord
This has probabaly already been discussed ut years ago there was a very small organization called The Church of Jesus. It was headed by Sam Officer and based in Cleveland Tennessee. Later the group evolved into The Church of Yah or something similar. In middle Tennessee there was group of churches called "The Church of Jesus". They believed Christ was a title, like Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I saw one Bible used by one of the preachers and he had went through it and marked out the word "Christ" anywhere it was used in conjunction with Jesus. They based their teaching on the verse in Zachariah which says something like "In that day, there shall be One Lord, and His Name ONE". Also when the angel announced the Saviors Name prior to His Birth, he said "Jesus" as opposed to "Jesus Christ". They baptized strictly "in the Name of Jesus". Some were very adament. One told me to be baptized "in the Name of Jesus Christ" was the equivelant of being baptized " in the Name of the FSHG". He also said adding "Lord" and "Christ" was adding to the Word. At least two of these churches are now in the ALJC.
I was very close to some of the brethren, though we differed on baptismal formulas. "The Churches of Jesus" I have visted (and held revivals for) were in Winchester, Huntland and Elora, Tennessee. I considered Bro. Marvin Taylor, a fine but strict brother, as my pastor at one time.
Another church in St. Augustine, Florida baptized "in the Name of the Lord Jesus". They weren't as hardnosed about it, and were loosely asscoiated with David Terrell, though he baptizes "in the Name of Jesus Christ".
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How does this groups explain away Acts 2:38 w/ Peter's mention of Jesus Christ?
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04-05-2008, 11:22 AM
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Re: The Oneness Anti "Christ" doctrine ....
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Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor
People started new organizations over this doctrine.
There were rumors of people being rebaptized in "Jesus name" and leaving off the Christ
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I never gave thought to rather they used Jesus Christ, Lord Jesus Christ, or just Jesus. WOW, Now I have been going back in my mind to what has been said. I think "......name of Jesus Christ...." is what I hear most often but I have heard the others used. I must say though that I have never heard anyone say not to use the word Christ.
The Spanish fellowship must be the UPCI Spanish group. I have not heard this talked about by the AAFCJ. I even asked a friend that had grown up in the AAFCJ and they never had the teaching try to get in. Of course if they had it would have required them to change their name.
Besides in Spanish wouldn't just using Jeus be kinda confusing? even Señor Jesus could get a bit confusing. El Señor Jesus Cristo, now that would be a bit more defining and certainly seprate out WHO you are speaking to.
But in Spanish services, and with mine being only picked up because of Spanish services and our friends all speaking it, I must say I never have doubts about who any of them are praising or giving honor to. However 'Gloria Dios' did throw me for the a loop. It took me a while to realize they were NOT saying goodbye to glory.
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04-05-2008, 11:47 AM
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Re: The Oneness Anti "Christ" doctrine ....
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Originally Posted by jaxfam6
I never gave thought to rather they used Jesus Christ, Lord Jesus Christ, or just Jesus. WOW, Now I have been going back in my mind to what has been said. I think "......name of Jesus Christ...." is what I hear most often but I have heard the others used. I must say though that I have never heard anyone say not to use the word Christ. The Spanish fellowship must be the UPCI Spanish group. I have not heard this talked about by the AAFCJ. I even asked a friend that had grown up in the AAFCJ and they never had the teaching try to get in. Of course if they had it would have required them to change their name.
Besides in Spanish wouldn't just using Jeus be kinda confusing? even Señor Jesus could get a bit confusing. El Señor Jesus Cristo, now that would be a bit more defining and certainly seprate out WHO you are speaking to.
But in Spanish services, and with mine being only picked up because of Spanish services and our friends all speaking it, I must say I never have doubts about who any of them are praising or giving honor to. However 'Gloria Dios' did throw me for the a loop. It took me a while to realize they were NOT saying goodbye to glory.
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Clarification
I have never heard any one say that. Doesn't mean they didn't, just means I must have thought those persons were a bit nuts and just never listened to them. I have heard that groups believe like this but I do not know them personally.
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04-05-2008, 03:06 PM
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Re: The Oneness Anti "Christ" doctrine ....
As best as I can remember they said Peter used the word "Christ" to differeniate from other Jesus' that were alive at that time. However, when Peter baptized converts on the Day of Pentecost, he did so "in the Name of Jesus". NOTE: I don't agree with this view for a number of reasons:
1. I don't know where they get the idea that there were other people who were named Jesus at the time. (Paul wrote of "Jesus who is called Justus" but theres no indication that he was around on the Day of Pentecost)
2. There is no biblical record of Peter baptizing anyone on the Day of Pentecost.
3. There is no Scripture anywhere for baptizing in the singular Name of Jesus.
I think all of these new doctrines and revelations are nothing more than attampts to draw a following- to differentiate one group or church from other with a new "revelation". The subject of water baptism, at least in this area, has many twists and turns (kinda like on this forum!). One church baptized its coverts "in the name of Jesus Christ, face forward. Why? I haven't a clue other than to be different. Another held converts under the water while the "ceremony" was spoken... in its entirety. *Dunk* -"I know baptize this brother (sister) in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of his (her) sins". I recently learned of one church that baptizes "in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and of His Prophet, William Marrion Branham".
I was baptized in "the Name of Jesus Christ". Jesus is Who He is, and Christ is What He is. Works for me!
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04-05-2008, 05:35 PM
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Re: The Oneness Anti "Christ" doctrine ....
Daniel? ( Acts 3:16) "And His name through faith in His name hath made this man strong, ........: yea, the faith which is by Him; hath given him this perfect soundness....".
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