An Angel Highway? - Page 11

RandyWayne · #**101** 02-14-2010, 11:07 PM

There is a huge difference between a "heretic hunter" and a heretic (besides the obvious one of one supposedly being the hunter and the other, the prey) and that is the heretic hunter is after those with different idea's and theory's about things. For instance those targeting Galileo or Martin Luther for their new ideas which came to light through modern research and study. The true heretic (in my very humble opinion) is the person who receives a vision, aka Joseph Smith, and proceeds to preach it as truth.

I would have NO problem with LS having personal opinions on angels -I have opinions too, (and HMH for that matter) and would in fact love to discuss it around a dinner table or in a living room but I do have a HUGE issue with him weaving doctrine around said beliefs. This is how men like Joseph Smith, Jim Jones, and other infamous "leaders" get their start.

Pressing-On · #**102** 02-14-2010, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

That's entirely up to the Lord. Sometimes when preaching you don't know why you're led to address some things. Suddenly after the service or after a couple days someone walks up to you and tells you a story that reveals why.

That doesn't really answer the question. I assumed you would have an example from experience.

Aquila · #**103** 02-14-2010, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I agree with this.

Ah, you agree with someone who was led to this conclusion through subjective spiritual experience, i.e., a mystic? LOL

jfrog · #**104** 02-14-2010, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Ah, you agree with someone who was led to this conclusion through subjective spiritual experience, i.e., a mystic? LOL

And how was that Aquila?

Aquila · #**105** 02-14-2010, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

There is a huge difference between a "heretic hunter" and a heretic (besides the obvious one of one supposedly being the hunter and the other, the prey) and that is the heretic hunter is after those with different idea's and theory's about things. For instance those targeting Galileo or Martin Luther for their new ideas which came to light through modern research and study. The true heretic (in my very humble opinion) is the person who receives a vision, aka Joseph Smith, and proceeds to preach it as truth.

I would have NO problem with LS having personal opinions on angels (and HMH for that matter) and would in fact love to discuss it around a dinner table or in a living room but I do have a HUGE issue with him weaving doctrine around said beliefs. This is how men like Joseph Smith, Jim Jones, and other infamous "leaders" get their start.

Let's get to the heart of the matter... what specifically is it about Stoneking's teaching that bothers you most?

RandyWayne · #**106** 02-14-2010, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Let's get to the heart of the matter... what specifically is it about Stoneking's teaching that bothers you most?

His reliance on personal feelings and his tendency to over-dramatize personal experiences (for instance, the Lord choosing to bring HIM back from the dead in a miraculous fashion) and making them into matter-of-fact doctrine.

And his "message" which has not changed for years -complete with speaking in tongues at the same point every time it is preached.

Pressing-On · #**107** 02-14-2010, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Ah, you agree with someone who was led to this conclusion through subjective spiritual experience, i.e., a mystic? LOL

I don't consider that mystical. You said the same thing that Luke 11 was trying to convey.

I'm assuming this person is outside of themselves in Romans 1:28 "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;"

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1 Corinthians 5:5 "To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."

jfrog · #**108** 02-14-2010, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Let's get to the heart of the matter... what specifically is it about Stoneking's teaching that bothers you most?

An over emphasis on such things as angels and HMH while teaching the details as facts instead of opinions.

MissBrattified · #**109** 02-14-2010, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

His reliance on personal feelings and his tendency to over-dramatize personal experiences (for instance, the Lord choosing to bring HIM back from the dead in a miraculous fashion) and making them into matter-of-fact doctrine.

And his "message" which has not changed for years -complete with speaking in tongues at the same point every time it is preached.

But which aspect of his teachings in the sermon excerpt would you say are blatantly false? Specifically?

TroubleMaker · #**110** 02-14-2010, 11:17 PM

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The angel passage in Acts 12 sounds like Jewish folklore but how do you explain the man who was healed seeing TWBarnes in his hospital room all night when TB stated that he prayed a quick prayer and left? Do you think it was a familiar spirit sitting at his bedside all night?

Ok Mizpeh, despite the difficulty, I listened to hear this story you're referencing. My answer is pretty simple, actually. I don't believe it. It's either made up or he's delusional. Come on, seriously, you're way more solid in God's word than this, Mizpeh. Our angels look like us???? Seriously??? Barnes' angel stayed in the hospital room all night and looked like Barnes?? How in this world can any UPC...or anyone....give this nut an ounce of credibility?